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I have a conundrum for you that has puizzled me for some time. The 'change speed and brake operating bracket' on the leyland S type was significantly modified for use in the c.1912 S3. My chassis, which I believe to be an S2, utilised the earlier version. BUT, I have a perfect and complete example of the S3 'bracket'. Do I use the latter or do I fabricate a copy of the earlier version? Robert

 

Is the situation any different to vehicles of todays era. Part number XXXX is now superseded by part no YYYY. It fits straight on, does the job asked of it and is a genuine product for that vehicle.

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A couple of videos last November on our trip to Ypres. In case anyone is wondering why Ari is sat on the bonnet it’s because we were losing the radiator cap pin so he was doing his best to keep h

Hi all just an update, finally got my engine from an arizona liberty owner for my 2nd chassis, engine is a aeries two continental and is fairly complete many thanks to william in virginia for mak

It looked great going up the hill to GDSF. One thing the Liberty was missing and which has just been remedied is the triangular Quartermaster Corps badge on each side of the seat box. 

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Unfortunately it doesn't fit straight on... the one I have requires me to drill a large hole central in the side of the chassis for the pivot. Whereas the pivot in the earlier version lies just above the chassis. In addition all the bolt hole locations are slightly different. The later version remained the same for the next ten years or so.

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Unfortunately it doesn't fit straight on... the one I have requires me to drill a large hole central in the side of the chassis for the pivot. Whereas the pivot in the earlier version lies just above the chassis. In addition all the bolt hole locations are slightly different. The later version remained the same for the next ten years or so.

 

I know I said parts should fit correctly. It still is the situation where modification has to occur as the newer part is the now produced part and the older version is no longer available. Different mounts and linkages abound.

 

The other option is a line of the vehicles history, where modification and changes have occurred to keep the vehicle going particularly is used away from a city and a regular supply of parts. The local blacksmith and garage would have

kept the vehicle operational.

In the same line during the early days of The Great War, there was a problem with the rear axle housing on Thornycroft trucks in France. The army engineers in France cast their own version, which was later accepted by Thornycroft and became the standard part.

 

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I've always found the modifications/upgrades a vintage vehicle acquires over a long life interesting in themselves. For example, an FWD Model B as it was issued in 1917 vs the same model in 1925 with pneumatic tires, electric start, lights, etc.

 

Since you can't run down to the local truck parts store to pick up a new part, certain compromises must often be made on the originality front but I am in awe when I see a restorer who stops at almost nothing to make a truck as close to 100 percent accurate as his time and effort can make it. Just had a tour of a much more modern MV where the owner use ONLY NOS part used at the exact timeframe the restoration was designed to portray. Pedantic? Certainly, but delightfully pedantic... admirably pedantic.

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On the other hand we do have people like Ben and the Gosling's who build parts to original specifications.

In my own situation it is a matter of what parts are available to use, the facilities I have to construct some parts, or the funding to otherwise pay to have these parts built. Each of us will have a different set of criteria to work from to produce an operational vehicle.

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So, finally I have an account and can put a few photos up for myself! Thanks so much Tim Gosling though for sharing some of the adventures had so far with my Liberty B.

Here’s a few photos of her at last years Dorset Steam fair and then photos of having her rear brakes stripped and re lined, drums skimmed, new tyres fitted and ready for her drive last November to Ypres Belguim for Armistice day 2019.

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1 hour ago, Dorset Boy said:

A couple of videos last November on our trip to Ypres.

In case anyone is wondering why Ari is sat on the bonnet it’s because we were losing the radiator cap pin so he was doing his best to keep hold of it at a staggering 18 mph!

 

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Superb stuff, what wonderful lorries.

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2 hours ago, Dorset Boy said:

So, finally I have an account and can put a few photos up for myself! Thanks so much Tim Gosling though for sharing some of the adventures had so far with my Liberty B.

Here’s a few photos of her at last years Dorset Steam fair and then photos of having her rear brakes stripped and re lined, drums skimmed, new tyres fitted and ready for her drive last November to Ypres Belguim for Armistice day 2019.

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I probably have photos of her at Dorset, lovely seeing these WW1 lorries so well preserved.

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Hi all just an update, finally got my engine from an arizona liberty owner for my 2nd chassis, engine is a aeries two continental and is fairly complete

many thanks to william in virginia for making this happen and chuck in arizona too, williams also supplying me with a missing m3 carb and a spare radiator he has, i had put a deposit down on this engine around feb this year then with covid and other issues it has only recently moved the first step before coming back down here, still progress forward, ive also almost got the repairs done on the chassis, added some pics below

mike

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