fv1609 Posted April 30, 2007 Author Share Posted April 30, 2007 A guided bomb (dropped as opposed to fired) Nope not a dropped guided bomb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted April 30, 2007 Author Share Posted April 30, 2007 Would it be a Kugelblitz ("round lightning") ? An explosive gas weapon using a 50:50 mix of butane and propane, with gyroscopic stabilisation, I believe designed to intercept bombers. Possibly with remote control and was being developed at late part of WW2 by the Germans, in Italy. Nope not a Kugelblitz, although that sounds an intriguing device. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted April 30, 2007 Author Share Posted April 30, 2007 with an internal temperature of 3500 deg F producing 1200 psi at the jets, dose it run on steam? Nope Assume it is not controled via radio wave as it seem too early looking at the drawing :dunno: Are you sure about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted April 30, 2007 Author Share Posted April 30, 2007 (edited) Nope :-) Makes it even more confusing if anything A decoy? Maybe to attract heat seeking missiles? Nope Jeessss...are you making these up!!! Nope, I'm not that clever. Well does this help or confuse? Edited November 17, 2009 by Marmite!! Photo links repaired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 Foo Fighters, remote control jet powered spheres developed by Germany, possibly also used by Japan during WW2, used to ram or disorient aircraft, often mistaken as UFO's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 Lee, That is what I was describing, sounds remarkably like Clive's sphere, espcially when he hinted that it was remote controlled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted April 30, 2007 Author Share Posted April 30, 2007 (edited) Bit more help here: Edited November 17, 2009 by Marmite!! Photo links repaired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodge Deep Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 It's not a Golden Snitch is it :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyroo Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 Can it operate in space? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted April 30, 2007 Author Share Posted April 30, 2007 It's not a Golden Snitch is it :-D Had to google that one, but nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted April 30, 2007 Author Share Posted April 30, 2007 Can it operate in space? Was not designed to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlienFTM Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 Would it be a Kugelblitz ("round lightning") ? An explosive gas weapon using a 50:50 mix of butane and propane, with gyroscopic stabilisation, I believe designed to intercept bombers. Possibly with remote control and was being developed at late part of WW2 by the Germans, in Italy. Interesting. I am sure the Germans also developed an anti-aircraft system in the style of the latter-day Russian ZSU23/4, IIRC on the chassis of a Mark 4 late in the war, which answered to the name Kugelblitz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyroo Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 Was not designed to. Arrr it may not be designed too, but can it? The closest thing I can find is an ION powerd thing that could be used to destroy a satalight. :dunno: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiketheBike Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 Looking at the diagram of the internals, I'm guessing its a two part propellant...one part being held in each end of the cylinder and fed through parts 181 and 207, the other being held in the central tank and fed directly into the pitch, yaw and roill jets? There do not appear to be any control equipment, unless the valves (233) are pre-set and self correct the flight, or the controls have been perposely not shown? Has anyone been even remotely close to what this is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted May 1, 2007 Author Share Posted May 1, 2007 Arrr it may not be designed too, but can it? No idea, but Andrew you leading yourself up the garden path on this line of thinking. There are weapons system in service today that perform the role proposed for these jet powered balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 Interesting. I am sure the Germans also developed an anti-aircraft system in the style of the latter-day Russian ZSU23/4, IIRC on the chassis of a Mark 4 late in the war, which answered to the name Kugelblitz. Alien, You are right, but I was not aware of it having the same name, evidently Kugelblitz means "ball lightning" or similar, which could well describe Clive's mystery object. The first reference I found to Kugelblitz was a fiery sphere that could be remote controled by direction, when I did another search, the tracked AA system came up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiketheBike Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 Richard, yes I read that: The Japanese R&D team put the machines together, following the German instructions, and... there was something very bizarre and other-earthy standing in front of them -- a ball shaped flying device without wings or propellers, that nobody knew how it flied. The fuel was added, the start button of this unmanned machine was pressed and it .... disappeared with a roar and flames without [into] the sky. The team never saw it again. The engineers were so frightened by the unexpected might of the machine, that they promptly dynamited the second prototype and choose to forget the whole incident." did seem to fit the bill, but a Japanese/German collaboration to build it was discounted in an earlier post, so I dropped that line of thought. Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted May 1, 2007 Author Share Posted May 1, 2007 (edited) Looking at the diagram of the internals, I'm guessing its a two part propellant...one part being held in each end of the cylinder and fed through parts 181 and 207, the other being held in the central tank and fed directly into the pitch, yaw and roill jets? There do not appear to be any control equipment, unless the valves (233) are pre-set and self correct the flight, or the controls have been perposely not shown? Has anyone been even remotely close to what this is? No not really, it is the shape that is confusing people. Edited November 17, 2009 by Marmite!! Photo links repaired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougiebarder Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 How about a target for anti aircraft training? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiketheBike Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 You say its about 2ft diameter, and its a weapon. Does it rely purely on its speed and weight to cause destruction, or is it some kind of defensive/decoy weapon? There does not appear to be any sort of payload...explosive or otherwise? Is the water cooling to make it stealthy...so the device has minimal heat signature? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted May 1, 2007 Author Share Posted May 1, 2007 How about a target for anti aircraft training? Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted May 1, 2007 Author Share Posted May 1, 2007 You say its about 2ft diameter, and its a weapon. Does it rely purely on its speed and weight to cause destruction, Nope There does not appear to be any sort of payload...explosive or otherwise? yes there is Is the water cooling to make it stealthy...so the device has minimal heat signature? No i don't think that was the primary reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiketheBike Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 dammit Clive!!! OK, are they detonators or something on the front? Is that why it needs to travel in a particular orientation, to keep them forward facing? Is it used against something on land or in the air? Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 Maybe these spheres are not actually weapons, but an experiment on the mechanics of guided missiles, using gyroscopes and steerable thrust vanes. With the style of illustrations and typeface, I would suggest we are talking about 50-60 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted May 1, 2007 Author Share Posted May 1, 2007 dammit Clive!!! Why do you want to get some sleep tonight? OK, are they detonators or something on the front? Is that why it needs to travel in a particular orientation, to keep them forward facing? Not so much that but you might loose control if the openings below 260 & 112 don't face you. Also pitch & yaw get lost making control difficult Is it used against something on land or in the air? something on the land Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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