fv1609 Posted July 7, 2014 Author Share Posted July 7, 2014 Abbot ? Yes Richard well done! Pictures to follow in a minute Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted July 7, 2014 Author Share Posted July 7, 2014 I found this report at Tankfest & bought it for AndyM. The scans are his as I no longer have the report. So that is the reason for Andy's unusual silence in this MO. I made no mention of his scans at the outset as that might have been a give away :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 I found this report at Tankfest & bought it for AndyM. The scans are his as I no longer have the report. So that is the reason for Andy's unusual silence in this MO. I made no mention of his scans at the outset as that might have been a give away :-D Clive, Interesting reading! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted July 7, 2014 Author Share Posted July 7, 2014 Yes Richard I don't think I have ever seen a report where much attention was paid to crew difficulties under operational conditions. Such difficulties would clearly have an effect on crew efficiency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Degsy Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Yes Richard I don't think I have ever seen a report where much attention was paid to crew difficulties under operational conditions. Such difficulties would clearly have an effect on crew efficiency. But did they do anything about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted July 7, 2014 Author Share Posted July 7, 2014 But did they do anything about it? Dunno we'll have to ask AndyM as he no doubt has scrutinised the report & matching it up to his Abbot. Interesting to see if they provided a breathable seat covering, shouldn't have been too much of a technical challenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Aha - now I can say something without giving the game away! They temporarily moved the driver's air vent so it was closer to his face instead of his knees(!) but that seems to have been about it. I'll have to see if I can find any follow-up report. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted July 7, 2014 Author Share Posted July 7, 2014 Andy may I ask, have you suffered any such dampness yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Andy may I ask, have you suffered any such dampness yet? That's a very personal question to ask Clive :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starfire Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 But did they do anything about it? Sweaty balls is a very common problem in any form of vehicle, here in Australia, on a hot day. For that reason, leather seats aren't very popular here and getting burned by hot leather and/or a red hot seatbelt clip is something every Australian is familiar with. Hot steering wheels and gear shifters are another problem entirely and it is not unheard of to remove your socks and place them over your hands, as field expedient gloves, when the temperature is right up there. On the up side, armoured vehicles don't tend to have direct sunlight on the seats and therefore are a little more humane in some ways than their civilian counterparts. I think the British solution to the Abbot problem was to pack them back onto their transport ships and take them back to England, where they never encountered sunlight or a hot day ever again As an aside, the Saracen was out of service in Australia by the late 60s, having been replaced with the M113 after a fairly short service life (my Saracen, on the other hand, was in service with the British Army from 1953 to 1993, giving it a 40 year service life). Cheers, Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 (edited) Andy may I ask, have you suffered any such dampness yet? I haven't got the driver's seat back in yet! The missing pack might also be a slight problem ... :-) Andy Edited July 8, 2014 by andym Photo added Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Sweaty balls is a very common problem in any form of vehicle, here in Australia, on a hot day. For that reason, leather seats aren't very popular here and getting burned by hot leather and/or a red hot seatbelt clip is something every Australian is familiar with. Hot steering wheels and gear shifters are another problem entirely and it is not unheard of to remove your socks and place them over your hands, as field expedient gloves, when the temperature is right up there. On the up side, armoured vehicles don't tend to have direct sunlight on the seats and therefore are a little more humane in some ways than their civilian counterparts. I think the British solution to the Abbot problem was to pack them back onto their transport ships and take them back to England, where they never encountered sunlight or a hot day ever again As an aside, the Saracen was out of service in Australia by the late 60s, having been replaced with the M113 after a fairly short service life (my Saracen, on the other hand, was in service with the British Army from 1953 to 1993, giving it a 40 year service life). Cheers, Terry Actually, they just sent the Abbots to Germany instead! Noting the comment about gear shifters, the report also suggested thermal covering for the steering tillers but that never happened either. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Degsy Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Typical waste of money, spend a fortune on testing something and then ignore the results:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeePig Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Typical waste of money, spend a fortune on testing something and then ignore the results:D Results are a proven waste of time if they don't match what you set out to achieve trevor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Typical waste of money, spend a fortune on testing something and then ignore the results:D Perhaps if they'd ever deployed Abbots in the tropics they would have? Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Degsy Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Perhaps if they'd ever deployed Abbots in the tropics they would have? Andy I'm afraid I'm a little too old and a little too cynical to believe that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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