Sidewinder Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Hello! Having never handled one in the flesh, what are the A frame recovery tow bars made of.. ally or steel? Thanks! James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southall wizard Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 The one on my foden is steel I'm not sure they made any aluminium ones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMP-1SP2 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Have also seen them in steel. Erik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 The CVRT one is aluminium with some steel parts. It is heavy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidewinder Posted January 13, 2014 Author Share Posted January 13, 2014 Thanks guys. I had a feeling the main tubes would be aluminium. James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 If you mean Hollebones they're definitely made of steel and only just a one man lift! Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caddy Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 The one on our Chieftain ARRV is steel - two man lift for each section. I think the one on our Militant is steel as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbo Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Chris is right the CVRT one is ally. I think every other type is steel. For this reason I was told the CVRT ones nearly always get chopped up rather than disposed of, hence they are harder to find... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidewinder Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 Ah ok, I didn't realise there were two designs - just assumed it was a universal towing frame! Are the steel ones also suitable for CVRT's or are they a bit too big? James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 The steel 432 ones would work, but you'd need to make some adaptors as the towing eyes are much wider on a cvrt than on an FV430. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidewinder Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 Thanks Chris! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lauren Child Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 The one on our Chieftain ARRV is steel - two man lift for each section.I think the one on our Militant is steel as well. The CVR(T) one is noticeably lighter - it's (just) liftable by one person, if they're feeling strong. It's a single piece unit with the smaller side of the A frame hinged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 The 'standard' hollebone comes in two lengths. Both are steel and lift-able by one person though they are heavy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin craig Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 (edited) We have a number of pieces of armour at work and I shudder to think what it would be like to deal with vehicles without the A frame set we have. The variety of tasks one can achieve in a really safe manner on your own even. As I near to owning a tracked vehicle of my own it is a piece high on my list to acquire at the same time. R Edited January 19, 2014 by robin craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChasSomT. Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 The steel 432 ones would work, but you'd need to make some adaptors as the towing eyes are much wider on a cvrt than on an FV430. Is that why there are hollebone adaptors with the 'vehicle ends' at an angle to the 'hollebone ends', because the narrower distance between the CVR(T) towing eyes? [by the way, Is the ID of the CVR(T) towing eye 3" or smaller?] 'Chas.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Here's a range of Hollebone adaptors - the middle ones are FV430, can anyone identify the others, out of interest? Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 I would guess Cent on left and Chietain on right. The left hand, if 1 1/4" dia. pins would fit most British cruiser tanks up to and including Centurion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lauren Child Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Here's a range of Hollebone adaptors - the middle ones are FV430, can anyone identify the others, out of interest? [ATTACH=CONFIG]86403[/ATTACH] Andy They look like the general purpose adaptors "C" and "D", both 15 tonne's WLL by the looks of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 That was quick - thanks both! Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 The proper adapters for chieftain and centurion are typically heavy. They connect together using the quick release pins as used with all ARV winching kit. They are so heavy that whereas with a hollebone set you have a drawbar and a set of adaptors, on an ARV there is a butterfly which locates in the towing eye on the rear of the vehicle, two separate tow bars and then the adapters to suit the tank you wish to tow all connected with 5 QRP s (sorry no photos.) Hollebones can be used on any vehicle with the correct size NATO hitch, there are four basic pairs of adapters A,B,C & D and specials for 430 series and CVR T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recymech66 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 They look like the general purpose adaptors "C" and "D", both 15 tonne's WLL by the looks of things. The adaptors pictured are from left to right; B type adaptors used to tow Bedford 4 & 8t TM. Apart from being used with the Hollebones to tow they can also used in conjunction with the Bedford adaptor which when fitted to the swivel bar on the boom (under lift) hangs down from the swivel bar and connects to the recovery eye to carry out a suspend tow (Scammell and Foden only). FV430 Series adaptors (as already stated). C type adaptors used to tow Bedford 14t, CVRT etc. As stated they come as a set of 4 typically called A,B,C,D types adaptors. All are on the CES of Scammell Eka, Foden 6x6 Recovery and MAN SVR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim James Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Having had plenty of experience towing with a 434 using the issued one-piece folding A-frame, and towing with both Chieftain ARRV and CRARRV using the much heavier hollebone set which is provided in parts as described above by Dave, looking at the photo of adaptors posted by andym I can confirm that the middle pair of adaptors are part of the 434 CES with the one-piece folding A-frame for towing 430 series vehicles. I'm unsure about the other two pairs of adaptors but I'd say from the size of the holes they would also fit the 434 towing frame. I have used a 434 to tow a CVRT Spartan a couple of times but it was nearly 30 years back and I cant remember what the adaptors were like. I know we had a similar system on the Warrior 513 but I never had the chance to use it. Tim James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarland Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 Reactivating this thread... This list is on the MRW Precision engineering website On the XMOD website 076 is listed as a CVRT part - is this correct?? (May 2023). According to the thread above CVRT is Type C Is there a definitive list anywhere (REME documentation??) Hollebone Type A FV 599071 NSN 2540991388335 Hollebone Type A WO FV 599075 Hollebone Type B FV 599072 NSN 2540991388339 Hollebone Type B WO FV 599076 NSN 2540999775260 Hollebone Type C FV 599073 NSN 2540991388342 Hollebone Type C WO FV 599077 Hollebone Type D FV 599074 NSN 2540991388346 Hollebone Type D Blank FV 599078 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 Maybe here? https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/cy/request/735693/response/1770529/attach/4/0200 A 307 013 PT3 3 6 20210315 D N AAERM PART3.pdf?cookie_passthrough=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olivedrabsteptoe Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 These are for sale in Derbyshire,not sure their application, the numbers on the heads seem not to appear in the previous listing.Anyone know? No brackets with them. Any takers? Tim 07936 048802 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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