Great War truck Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) Can anybody identify this one? Thanks Tim Edited October 23, 2013 by Great War truck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redherring Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 We have a fine garden gnome in our garden. I'm not sure what Prue would think of this unit. The plate on the rear axle bears a triangular logo that I have seen before on a 2 ton Hurlburt. I don't know whether this was manufactured by Hurlburt or whether it's from a parts manufacturer. Is the chassis Hurlburt also? Wheels and hubs look right. But not absolutely sure. Nice find if it is. Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fesm_ndt Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 I was thinking the inverted triangle might be a V The many bolted parts on the rear axle look similar to this one, but not exactly the same..... http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/images/a/a3/Im1920EnV130-p136b.jpg Interesting puzzle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 The triangular logo looks similar to that on the early Timken drive axles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fesm_ndt Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 The triangular logo looks similar to that on the early Timken drive axles. The old Timken logo is shown here http://www.american-automobiles.com/images3/1910-Timken-Detroit-Axles.jpg Damn after midnight.... better snooze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redherring Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 This unit above is from the 2 ton Hurlburt I spoke of earlier. Fewer bolts - lighter chassis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great War truck Posted October 27, 2013 Author Share Posted October 27, 2013 Same logo for sure. Looks like TD so Timken Detroit I imagine although it looks different sort of logo from the other ones I have seen. I am not aware of Hurlburt trucks ever being sold in this country but an American built machine I would suspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redherring Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Might this chassis be a 6? ton Diamond T? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great War truck Posted October 27, 2013 Author Share Posted October 27, 2013 Possibly. Diamond T started in 1911, but they used Timken axles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon_M Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Sorry Tim, but even the chaps on the US Just Old trucks Forum didn't venture an opinion on it. One chap did say he could use the tyres but I assume this chassis will be getting kept. Where would you get new tyres for that anyway, if you had to? There are rubber / plastic extrusion and moulding companies here in Aberdeen that could probably extrude section and then just bond it on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon_M Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 (edited) Latest suggestion from the JOT Forum is a GMC Model 41 http://cranknhope.com/id12.html Edited October 30, 2013 by Gordon_M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nz2 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 The original chassis in question has no torque rods to the rear axle and no sign of any mounting points. GMC's tend to have these as shown with the type 41. Not a CMC 41. The diagonal bracing to the front cross member is a definite feature for id.It appears to be riveted in place on the left hand side, however they could be bolt heads shown on the right so may be a latter addition. The Detroit Timken rear end points to American manufacture, as do the use of the wooden spoked wheels. Interesting to note the bolted sections of the rear axle tubes to the diff casing, this being of a similar design to an early Thornycroft rear end I have here on a chassis. If we use that as a dating point it would place the chassis in question to the period 1912-14. However being American in origin that time frame could be extended out. Would it be possible to get a measurement of the wheel base and tyre sizes to assist with further ID. Are there are markings on the diff indicating a model? Doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4x4Founder Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 My WAG is Acason. From what little photo evidence I have and can see on the net, they have several design features that appear in common. The Timken Detroit Worm gear axle. THe drop axle and hub design. THe front chassis horn design. Front hubs, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great War truck Posted November 2, 2013 Author Share Posted November 2, 2013 Acason? There is a name that I had not heard of before. I am sure everyone else also checked up the name on Google as well as me. Certainly some similarities. Thanks for putting it on JOT Gordon. I thought someone there would know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4x4Founder Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 A fairly obscure name, to be sure, but they were in biz from 1915 and 1925 with a 2-ton, 3.5-ton and 5-ton. Pics are few. I have some here and there in old books. The front frame horns and spring mounts are somewhat unusual in shape and design and I see that feature in all the pics of the Acason trucks I see. I will not put any money on my guess and it's certainly not a hill I wish to die upon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runflat Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 I think it was made in Putney, London... :whistle: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great War truck Posted November 2, 2013 Author Share Posted November 2, 2013 I do believe you are right Alan. How on earth did you work out it was a Palladium? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runflat Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 By browsing in my library... good of you to work out my cryptic clue so quickly. Previously only Palladium cars were known to survive, so a real rarity. Our mutual friend will be very excited. Do you have the chassis number - many started 31... or 41... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Peskett Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 For full detail of the Palladium chassis see Automobile Engineer, January 1917. Both front and back axles are Timken and it should have a 4JO Dorman engine. With reference to the Acason they were built in Detroit, Timken axles and Waukesha engines, possibly never imported into the UK.. Richard Peskett. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great War truck Posted November 2, 2013 Author Share Posted November 2, 2013 Well Alan, I am getting used to your cryptic clues, but this is the first one I have ever worked out. Our mutual friend was very pleased. I will let you know if a chassis number is forthcoming. Here is a poor picture of a 1919 4 tonner. I am sure the chassis is much earlier. Anyway, thanks for identifying it and solving the mystery. I wonder what will happen to it. I suspect high chance of Chinese razor blades for this unique survivor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nz2 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 To Allan and Richard; What were the features on this chassis that you linked to the Palladiumn? I don't have a copy Richard of the publication you refer to, to satisfy my inquiring mind. Likewise the photo posted is not clear enough to show features of the chassis hence the query. The use of the Detroit axles in the British chassis seems unusual, when most British vehicles of the time were built in house unlike the proprietary components of many American trucks. Vehicles were built elsewhere under license could this be one? Doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runflat Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 As well as the axles, the taper to the front of the chassis rails and the design of the forward rear spring hanger compare well to other photographs of Palladiums. I'm not aware that it was built under license but there's not much information available, so open to evidence to the contrary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 The use of the Detroit axles in the British chassis seems unusual, when most British vehicles of the time were built in house unlike the proprietary components of many American trucks. Vehicles were built elsewhere under license could this be one? Hi Doug, Not knowing the age of this chassis, but the new 4 ton Palladium in 1920 had a Timken rear axle and a Continental (US built) engine specially adapted for the lorry ....... all according to the Commercial Motor road test at the time. See the article here: http://archive.commercialmotor.com/article/16th-march-1920/14/a-trial-run-on-a-new-4-tonner regards, Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4x4Founder Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Interesting. The Acason seems to have the same axles and front frame horn design but, of course, is much less likely to be in Britain. Even more interesting is the use of an American engine and axles in a British built truck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 The Acason seems to have the same axles and front frame horn design but, of course, is much less likely to be in Britain. The Acason was imported to Britain, so it could possibly be one. http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/File:Im19160412MTra-British1.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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