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Can anyone give me their experiences please or any recommendations for a source of Aluminium Paint to repaint an AFV (Dingo) engine bay.

 

A synthetic, brushing type would be preferable,with a degree of heat resistance.

 

Thanks.

David.

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would the engine bay not be the same as the body?And the engine in eau de nile?

 

It came to me direct from the army nearly forty years ago in silver over red oxide only under the bonnet,having had no civilian restoration.

 

I suppose the paint spec. depends on just what point in a vehicle's chequered and much rebuilt past you choose to go with. Same as the engine colour. in this case that was eau de nil but there are arguments about that.

 

Silver will do for me, apart from anything else it cleans easier.especially if you choose to run without the belly plates.

 

Any ideas chaps ?

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The "silver" paint on the inside of AFVs is special, in that it does not flake, so that should the vehicle be struck by a kinetic round, the paint does not flake off with enormous energy and affect the inside of the vehicle like a HESH round. Same reason that using rivets ceased very quickly when "they" realised the internal damage when they broke off.

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The "silver" paint on the inside of AFVs is special, in that it does not flake.......

 

 

i wonder whether this criterion applied back in the forties and fifties ? A decent silver paint with a bit of heat resistance would do me for the engine bay.

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David,

 

As you say the key is the period it represents. I have a Daimler Armoured Car and the engine bay on these vehicles was body ie external colour, at least during WW2 at any rate. This is confirmed by study of assembly photographs from the Daimler works.

Of course what happened during the major rebuild programmes in the 50s is anyone's guess. I have no doubt that some where painted differently during this process.

Unlike the DAC the interior of a Dingo is body coloured. Seems unlikely to me that during wartime the decision would have been made to paint the engine bay in another colour. Also the aluminium paint was expensive and in short supply. Some of the early DACs were painted white inside because of the paint shortage.

If you're intending to portray the vehicle in a later scheme the the aluminium paint is probably correct. I've seen several examples like that over the years.

 

When Daimler engines came out of the factory they were in Daimler's grey finish with the serial number stencilled on the side. I doubt this paint lasted very long during the war. Certainly by the end most engines would have been in the repair/rebuild colour of eau de nil.

 

Regards

 

Paul

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David,

 

As you say the key is the period it represents. I have a Daimler Armoured Car and the engine bay on these vehicles was body ie external colour, at least during WW2 at any rate. This is confirmed by study of assembly photographs from the Daimler works.

Of course what happened during the major rebuild programmes in the 50s is anyone's guess. I have no doubt that some where painted differently during this process.

Unlike the DAC the interior of a Dingo is body coloured. Seems unlikely to me that during wartime the decision would have been made to paint the engine bay in another colour. Also the aluminium paint was expensive and in short supply. Some of the early DACs were painted white inside because of the paint shortage.

If you're intending to portray the vehicle in a later scheme the the aluminium paint is probably correct. I've seen several examples like that over the years.

 

When Daimler engines came out of the factory they were in Daimler's grey finish with the serial number stencilled on the side. I doubt this paint lasted very long during the war. Certainly by the end most engines would have been in the repair/rebuild colour of eau de nil.

 

Regards

 

Paul

That seems quite feasible, mind you on a repaint the engine bay possibly would not have been done, however I have never looked under the silver paint but will do now just out of interest!

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You may not find any evidence left. Some of the rebuilds were very thorough. I stripped down a WOT 2 some years back and was trying to find evidence of the original finish. Lots of DBG and very little else. Finally I found what seemed to be the original brown tucked right up in the corner of the front cab bulkhead. Whoever had rebuilt it in 1953 did a proper job! No doubt lots of buckshee National Servicemen armed with paint brushes in those days!!

 

Cheers

 

Paul

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David, I bought some from my local Builder Merchant and it is used for over resinous wood as a primer, heat resistance I didn't look at but I touched up a Ferret I had at the time and it was fine.

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i got a 2.5 liter tub of aluminium paint from my local automotive paint supplier , it is intended for the refurb of aluminium wheels , brushable , and is a good match for the inside of my pig , will , have a look on the can what it says for you

 

Jamie

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David

 

Attached are a couple of Links to follow

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=military+paint+&_trksid=p5197.c0.m627

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/louisa2033/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=25&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2654

 

They will give you a varied selection of paints and may help you with your quest.

 

When I was in the trade at Devon General (Local Bus Company in Exeter) They used to spray the complete underside of the buses in alluminium/silver paint and also when I worked for Royal Mail we Used the same paint, It was Masons Paint. but I do not know to much about it and as you know the ingredients that go into paint has changed a lot in the last few years for environmental reasons

 

Regards

 

Brucie

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Hi David,

Have a look at this photo, it is of a Dingo I restored with engine bay in silver as it was when last in service. It is a dull silver to match the original type paint. I found Massey Ferguson Silver Mist to be ideal. This was sprayed, brush painting does not give the same finish. You can get it in 1 litre tins from agricultural machinery dealers.

 

regards, Richard

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Thanks for the ideas chaps - nice picture Richard.

 

I will probably go with a brush finish - anyone else any ideas ?

 

 

Thanks David.

Just remembered, I got some silver paint from Frank Burbery Paints in Cornwall. He specialises in colours for MV's. This is for another armoured car and looks more authentic as it does not have so much of a sheen. Not brushed it though. Looks superb when sprayed.

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I'm still hoping to get some practical feedback and recommendations from someone who has recently used a silver paint for engine bay or interior.

 

Frank Burbery is apparently running the paints supply down and can only furnish the silver in 5 litres and so I have tried an aluminium based silver from an outfit in Hull who advertise on ebay. Their paint spec. looks ideal ,brush or spray,heat resistant etc but the tin I bought is far too thin to brush and still leaves brush marks even with a second coat.

 

I have also tried an aerosol Hammerite (smooth) which gives a reasonable and heat resistant finish but I've been warned about the difficulties of their brushing paint.

 

I need about 1 litre of synthetic based paint which can be brushed satisfactorily,I don't suppose the heat resistance is that critical and i would like it to have a good resistance to oil and petrol but not be too high a gloss finish.

 

Can anyone help with the name of a supplier please.

 

Without opening another line of discussion - can anyone make a suggestion for the engine paint in eau de nil (not blue)

 

Thanks,

David.

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I've got some of the original aluminium flame-resisting paint, courtesy of Clive Elliott. Way past the end of its shelf life but amazingly still usable after being left upside-down for a month followed by half an hour with an electric paint stirrer. Nothing else I've tried has quite the same finish. However I've only got enough to use where it can be seen such as interiors, so I'm experimenting with a substitute for the Abbot's engine bay. Smooth Hammerite looks quite reasonable when brushed, there are a few brush marks but I expect them to go after a second coat.

 

Andy

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The reason you are probably experiencing the brushmarks is that all paint now produced and sold in this country is waterbased due to the environmental legislation that has come in in the past few years. Even hammerite is water based now and not worth putting on externally anymore in my opinion.

 

At present the legislation does not cover the marine division so you maybe able to find some paint that is still oil/lead based in a ship chandlers shop or a friendly boatyard and try that? or you know of somewhere that can supply the old type of oil based paints.

 

Brucie

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The reason you are probably experiencing the brushmarks is that all paint now produced and sold in this country is waterbased due to the environmental legislation that has come in in the past few years. Even hammerite is water based now and not worth putting on externally anymore in my opinion.

 

At present the legislation does not cover the marine division so you maybe able to find some paint that is still oil/lead based in a ship chandlers shop or a friendly boatyard and try that? or you know of somewhere that can supply the old type of oil based paints.

 

Brucie

 

The machinery paint stocked in most agricultural suppliers is still oil based.

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I purchased some via e-bay - it is like painting with water ! - end result looks good,nice and shiney as you would expect.... - can be a biugger to paint over at a later date if you ever want to - not only a pain to cover but also reacts to certain spray paints(cans) - one tin goes a long,long way so I dont expect you will need too much of the stuff ! - I purchased a brand called "Coo - Vav" - and it was around £25 for 5 ltrs - its much as i remember previous Aluminium Paints and i would use it again without any qualms......

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I purchased some via e-bay - it is like painting with water ! - end result looks good,nice and shiney as you would expect.... - can be a biugger to paint over at a later date if you ever want to - not only a pain to cover but also reacts to certain spray paints(cans) - one tin goes a long,long way so I dont expect you will need too much of the stuff ! - I purchased a brand called "Coo - Vav" - and it was around £25 for 5 ltrs - its much as i remember previous Aluminium Paints and i would use it again without any qualms......

 

Thanks for the info. I've had a look for "Coo-Vav" - can't see it. Any further leads please.

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Well spotted -thanks.

 

Richard - how did this brush on ?

 

Hi David,

Best to spray it as it gives a much better finish although you could use a soft brush I suppose. It will have a sheen to it, but being in the engine compartment it does mean you can wipe or wash the grime off without marring the paint. That is exactly what I used on the one in the photo, although not same make of paint.

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