redneck Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 She could be made useful http://www.mbtdivers.com/OriskanyHome.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferret1958uk Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Ark Royal is still there looking resplendent before her one way ticket to Turkey. There are two frigates being sorted for the same fate. Not sure if they will travel together when they go? As it is the school holidays I took my sons to the dockyard today to see stuff before it all goes to scrap. If they just sank Ark Royal in the solent then some future prince could get involved in her raising in future years and she could be 'saved' for the nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertBlooms88 Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 (edited) An idea as they'd make a huge loss in selling it anyway would be have it as a national falklands war museum perhaps what does anyone else think? Sam HMS Invincible was the candidate in my opinion for a carrier to be saved for a museum. There is no one high up enough in government who has any interest in the nations military heritage. When you consider government wastages and all other misappropriation of monies.... what an absolutely shocking and disgusting state of affairs. In addition surely some people in this country with money coming out of their ears would make something of it. Previous to this of course was the most famous carrier of them all which had no friends in high places.... HMS Ark Royal R09. Can you imagine seeing her today at Portsmouth next to HMS Warrior with Phantoms and Buccaneers on deck? I will just edit this post here to add a photo of R09 Imagine as above.... By U.S. Navy (U.S. DefenseImagery photo VIRIN: DN-SC-87-08415) [Public domain], via Wikimedia Commons http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:HMS_Ark_Royal_USS_Nimitz_Norfolk2_1978.jpeg#filehistory Incidently, there is a photo group on Flickr for HMS Ark Royal R09 [h=1]HMS Ark Royal (R09) - the legendary carrier of the Royal Navy!!![/h] http://www.flickr.com/groups/1753925@N22/ DesertBlooms88 Edited December 7, 2012 by DesertBlooms88 photo addition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Grundy Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Well said. However if I made comments then the post would be deleted by the Mods as in the past.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertBlooms88 Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 (edited) Here is a link to a photo ( on Flickr ) which shows HMS Invincible in 1980 when she was brand new. Whats that ship behind her.... HMS Ark Royal R09 awaiting her fate. So thats two vessels that we have lost and now yet again another is going the same way. Perhaps we will have to get HMS Hermes back.... but where is the money going to come from? Once a ship is scrapped we all know you cant bring them back. There is one Royal Navy carrier of course with a great deal of historical interest that is still around.... current location http://maps.google.com/maps?q=36.05,-4.75&ll=35.986896,-4.471436&spn=1.240088,1.766052&t=h&z=9 DesertBlooms88 Edited December 10, 2012 by DesertBlooms88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utt61 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 To be honest I still have trouble regarding the "through-deck cruisers" as carriers. If I had the magic wand of preservation I would have saved a "proper" carrier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertBlooms88 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 To be honest I still have trouble regarding the "through-deck cruisers" as carriers. If I had the magic wand of preservation I would have saved a "proper" carrier. Here is a photo of a ' proper carrier ' ... HMS Ark Royal R09 at Portsmouth. https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ueFB2UtjZi8/TNcGRvrSIBI/AAAAAAAANgU/ZRoooy72EVI/s982/Ark%2520visiting%2520Portsmouth%2520June%25201972.jpg Imagine if she was still there to go and visit. Ah well, all we have now is that great series SAILOR. DesertBlooms88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RattlesnakeBob Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 (edited) agree with all above....... ....HMS Ark Royal (proper!) was an awesome old ship....why she wasn't preserved is a matter that only those in the highest portals of office could answer .......and they never will.... Am I right in saying that is the US Nimitz moored alongside of her in the photo link?.... ....I guess we ( or certainly I ) always thought Ark Royal was 'big'?...she's rather dwarfed next to Nimitz though ! :shocked: PS: Edit ! I really ought to read the full info on the photo before posting .:red:...yep it is the mighty Nimitz Double PS: and hey Wattie!.....I posted a review of that book you mentioned quite a while back .I thought it was an incredibly eye opening and also disturbing book.....but the MODS didn't agree or not at least publicly ... Edited December 10, 2012 by RattlesnakeBob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I thought it was an incredibly eye opening and also disturbing book.....but the MODS didn't agree or not at least publicly ... The Mods & Admin Team have always stated Publicly that the Forum is & will remain free from Politics, if we think anything will bring Politics to the forum it's removed as clearly stated in the forum rules. If anyone would like to discuss this with any of the HMVF Team then please use the PM system. Every member agrees to abide to the Forum rules on joing the Forum. For those that still have not made themselves familiar with them. http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?517-Forum-RULES-amp-GUIDELINES Regards Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DesertBlooms88 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Ref a BBC report from Sept 2012 about HMS Illustrious. I cannot understand why HMS Illustrious is being earmarked for preservation!!! Pity HMS Invincible was not selected for the helicopter operations upgrade instead of Illustrious as it has so much historical interest in comparison. DesertBlooms88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtistsRifles Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Ref a BBC report from Sept 2012 about HMS Illustrious.I cannot understand why HMS Illustrious is being earmarked for preservation!!! Pity HMS Invincible was not selected for the helicopter operations upgrade instead of Illustrious as it has so much historical interest in comparison. DesertBlooms88 You just answered your own question - without invoking the dreaded "P" words there is no will or interest in preserving the historical any more - in those circles that rule nowadays it is seen as an embarassment and a hindrance to future apologizing to those who's butts we kicked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 You just answered your own question - without invoking the dreaded "P" words there is no will or interest in preserving the historical any more - in those circles that rule nowadays it is seen as an embarassment and a hindrance to future apologizing to those who's butts we kicked. There's no "P" involvement, it's simply a matter of money, no more, no less. The MOD is flat broke and cannot afford to support what it's already got, never mind running museums. In these recession-ridden times there's precious little private money around either. Most people fail to realise that obtaining ships, aircraft or tanks is the easy part, paying for the continued upkeep is the difficult bit. How many museums have you been round recently that look as they could do with a substantial cash injection? Most millennium-funded ones I've seen are looking decidedly shabby these days. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertBlooms88 Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Nostalgic film clip from British Pathe News A 1957 visit to HMS Ark Royal R09 & HMS Victory at Portsmouth - nice colour film clip. http://www.britishpathe.com/video/day-out-with-the-navy-aka-boys-and-navy-record-a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertBlooms88 Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 (edited) A really great & unique photo here of HMS Ark Royal R07 i think... Three Centuries of British Sea Power HMS Victory (Nelson's flagship at the Battle of Trafalgar; HMS Warrior (Britain's first iron-hulled battleship); and HMS Ark Royal and HMS Illustious (twentieth century aircraft carriers), in harbour at Portsmouth. Here are three galleries of images, over 50 photo's, for HMS Ark Royal R07. Gallery No1 Gallery No2 Gallery No3 Lastly here is a very large aerial photo of Portsmouth with two carriers shown http://www.webbaviation.co.uk/portsmouth/Portsmouth.jpg Happy Christmas DesertBlooms88 Edited December 24, 2012 by DesertBlooms88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertBlooms88 Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 (edited) In 2020 i see that INS Viraat will possibly be up for retirement.... now there's a real ship with real history. I can feel a MEGA MILLIONS Euro Lottery win coming on..... Wikimedia Commons photograph... click here to see photo in original context http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:US_Navy_070907-N-8591H-194_F-A-18F_Super_Hornet_Strike_Fighter_Squadron_102,_F-A-18E_Super_Hornet_Strike_Fighter_Squadron_27,_Indian_Navy_Sea_Harriers,_Indian_Air_Force_Jaguars_over_INS_Viraat_(R_22),_Malabar_07-2.jpg By U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Jarod Hodge [Public domain], via Wikimedia Commons This is an image from the Imperial War Museum Collection. THE FALKLANDS CONFLICT, APRIL - JUNE 1982<a href="http://www.iwm.org.uk/corporate/privacy-copyright'>http://www.iwm.org.uk/corporate/privacy-copyright'>http://www.iwm.org.uk/corporate/privacy-copyright" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">© Crown copyright. IWM (FKD 450)</a> This is an image from the Imperial War Museum Collection. THE FALKLANDS CONFLICT, APRIL - JUNE 1982<a href="http://www.iwm.org.uk/corporate/privacy-copyright" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">© Crown copyright. IWM (FKD 684)</a> ROYAL NAVY AVIATION IN THE 60 s with HMS Hermes (R12) featuring Sea Vixens and Scimitars ... GREAT footage!!!! DesertBlooms88 Edited December 28, 2012 by DesertBlooms88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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