Jack Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 Morning all, OK - I had a meeting with the Highways Dept last Friday and the conclusion is that it is rubber tracked tanks/tractors only. Ironically this was down to my decision and I am happy with it as I don't want any grey areas. They has been millions of pounds spent on new roads down into Weymouth and Dorchester in time for the Olympics next year - I do not want to risk any future events for us. The small steeled tracked carriers are more than welcome because they are light. Any questions then please fire away. Cheers, JB! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spood Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 And there was me looking forward to seeing the Cromwell :cry: ........ oh well just have to hope a tank of some sort turns up :cool2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scammell4199 Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 Any chance the Cromwell could be fitted with tracks from a 432 or chieftain or something? Not strictly accurate i know but better to have it there like that than not at all. I remember seeing a T-55 at Kemble that had been fitted with hush puppy track from centurion. Eddy? Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy8men Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 buggar !!! now that poses a problem or two for those of us with real tanks i haven't given up hope as 432 tracks are about right on width and guage so it's a possibility or i could twist somebodies arm and tow it behind a diamond t with trailer or maybe just have it as a static display which is possible as i will have the tank in dorset for tankfest anyway so it won't be such a hassle as bringing it from manchester, we'll see and if all else fails i'll just bring the carrier and save myself a fortune. watch this space ! rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajmac Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 What a shame. It isn't surprising to be honest, as no one is going to take the responsibility that NO damage is going to result of using steel tracks. Going by tanks in town, a tank on a wartime trailer is still quite impressive and if jack could sweet talk some of the field owners around the campsite you would still get some off road driving, some of those hill tracks we walked around with the dogs were steep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Pearson Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 I can tell when I am not wanted! Funny really as Wolverhampton were quite miffed I was not available to drive around the town in June and I just did about 5 miles on roads in Lincolnshire in August with of course no damage. Fact is that heavy tanks plus rubber grip the top layer of tarmac and twist it from the lower layers if you drive "roughly" whereas steel tracks (without ice cleats) just slide over the top layer, marking your passage with white crushed gravel dust that just washes away in the first rain shower. Ah well, never mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted September 6, 2011 Author Share Posted September 6, 2011 I am sorry about that guys but I just can't risk it. This is a private run event - just me - I don't have any associations or groups standing behind me. So the risk is all mine :sweat: We have the whole worlds media decending on Dorset from May 2012 in the build up to the Olympics - can you imagine if we left trails of tank marks all around Dorchester and Weymouth, dusting all the white lines off all the new roundabouts :sweat: :sweat::sweat: Eddy - is there anything at all you can do to overcome this???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharky Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 evening all , hmm hand on chin steel track rubber track i agree with john about tarmac pulling but as i am never one for controversy :angel: i can understand why jack has decided on rubber track only .any how might rule us out for our m4/105 which is a shame, be nice to have a run out (when its finished ) also any chance off banning pink shirts ...... iain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 Its a shame steel tracks aren't allowed, although I see both sides. Guess people think that the white marks is actual damage to the road (which it isn't). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy8men Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 i'm not one to give up easily and if it can be done then this forum is the place to get the answers on how to do it and even if we don't get to drive on the road then i'm sure i can get someone with a war time rig to tow me on a trailer, i know of a fella in yorkshire with the only scammel tractor and 30 ton trailer combination known to exist, now that with a cromwell on the back would be something worth seeing. don't give up on the cromwell yet as there's more than one way to skin a cat. rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longydagun Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 As said before rubber can cause as much if not more damage than steel tracks! Although i see why this would seem to be a good way of protecting yourself from potential damage to the roads in a build up to the olympics what will happen if its a really hot day and some of the bigger tanks rip up the road with rubbers?! Does that not leave you in a vunerable situation anyway jack?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 Back in '89 on the Normandy tour, we were down south in Bagnoles. The town hosted us and one day, a hot one, all the vehicles lined up in the street, ready for a parade through the town. Guess what ... all the tanks with rubber pads were pulled out and only those with all steel were allowed to run, including a Cromwell (Budge). Those with rubber were lifting the bitumen, while the steel were just sliding, leaving white marks only. Only hope it is not hot in June next year or there could be problems in Weymouth ......... new tarmac and rubber pads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike65 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 i'm not one to give up easily and if it can be done then this forum is the place to get the answers on how to do it and even if we don't get to drive on the road then i'm sure i can get someone with a war time rig to tow me on a trailer, i know of a fella in yorkshire with the only scammel tractor and 30 ton trailer combination known to exist, now that with a cromwell on the back would be something worth seeing. don't give up on the cromwell yet as there's more than one way to skin a cat. rick Some old Pirellis, a hacksaw and a tube on No Nails:D Can't guarantee they will stay on though. Can see arguments both ways, but surely if the vehicle is in a road worthy/legal condition steel or rubber should not be an issue. But I do see where Jack is coming from. He is thinging of A&E 2013/14 Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 Some old Pirellis, a hacksaw and a tube on No Nails:D Can't guarantee they will stay on though. Can see arguments both ways, but surely if the vehicle is in a road worthy/legal condition steel or rubber should not be an issue. But I do see where Jack is coming from. He is thinging of A&E 2013/14 Mike There is a specified minimum area of ground contact and ground pressure in the regs for tracklaying vehicles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted September 7, 2011 Author Share Posted September 7, 2011 As said before rubber can cause as much if not more damage than steel tracks! Although i see why this would seem to be a good way of protecting yourself from potential damage to the roads in a build up to the olympics what will happen if its a really hot day and some of the bigger tanks rip up the road with rubbers?! Does that not leave you in a vunerable situation anyway jack?! OK if you take away the fact that rubbers can do damage if the conditions are hot - we would have to have a long stretch of very hot weather for this to happen. We don't seem to have days like that anymore. We will be travelling along about 6 different road surfaces - from country lanes to trunk roads. As I said before - we do not want white marks left behind from Maiden Newton to and around Dorchester and Weymouth. This is a video that I took whilst in Mons on Mikes Hellcat - scroll through until about 1.50 secs and looks at the road on left hand side of the screen and the marks left behind by steels - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy8men Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 the way i see it is the decision has been made, it's rubber or nothing ! so all those with steel tracks have to switch to rubber or get towed on a trailer. that's about the long and the short of it. rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted September 7, 2011 Author Share Posted September 7, 2011 the way i see it is the decision has been made, it's rubber or nothing ! so all those with steel tracks have to switch to rubber or get towed on a trailer. that's about the long and the short of it. rick Thats right Rick and love your positive attitude! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 Thats right Rick and love your positive attitude! We don't want none of them negative waves........ woof woof! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 Alastair makes a good point, last time there was an intention to use the farm tracks to the south west of the camp. This did not happen but perhaps we could firm this up for next year. It was about a 3 mile course and personally, I feel it would be more fun than going on the road...... I did have a play in the area to the north but I was the only one. If we did have the use of the tracks, then at least we could all do some proper tanking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gritineye Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 i'm not one to give up easily and if it can be done then this forum is the place to get the answers on how to do it and even if we don't get to drive on the road then i'm sure i can get someone with a war time rig to tow me on a trailer, i know of a fella in yorkshire with the only scammel tractor and 30 ton trailer combination known to exist, now that with a cromwell on the back would be something worth seeing. don't give up on the cromwell yet as there's more than one way to skin a cat. rick Having that Scammell / Valentine combo along would not be a second best option, it would look great and should be quite a draw for a large non military audience. Go for it Rick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted September 7, 2011 Author Share Posted September 7, 2011 Alastair makes a good point, last time there was an intention to use the farm tracks to the south west of the camp. This did not happen but perhaps we could firm this up for next year. It was about a 3 mile course and personally, I feel it would be more fun than going on the road...... I did have a play in the area to the north but I was the only one. If we did have the use of the tracks, then at least we could all do some proper tanking. All in the plan Adrian - ask Jim about the tracks - I didn't get any footage of it as Jess, Jamie and I were kind of hanging on for dear life but it was amazing going down through on a Sherman..............think Jim stopped just in time for the bridge :sweat: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted September 7, 2011 Author Share Posted September 7, 2011 We don't want none of them negative waves........ woof woof! Not saying too much right now BUT lets just say, Donald Sutherlands agent and I.........................................:angel::angel::angel::angel::angel::angel: :coffee: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 Not saying too much right now BUT lets just say, Donald Sutherlands agent and I.........................................:angel::angel::angel::angel::angel::angel: :coffee: Great! I'll start loading my paint shells..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted September 7, 2011 Author Share Posted September 7, 2011 Great! I'll start loading my paint shells..... :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: But I am being serious :coffee: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: But I am being serious :coffee: So was Adrian! :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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