Jessie The Jeep Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 So there's no situation when a loaded trailer can be towed? Because I'm sure I've seen plenty of vehicles which are probably MOT exempt with loaded trailers. So what about vehicles that are currently MOT'd that will become exempt in November this year. How will they stand towing? It's all too confusing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Degsy Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Unless there is anything different in the new legislation both the towing vehicle and the trailer must be unladen. Some claim that you can carry personal possessions but whether this covers camping gear etc is debatable and to the best of my knowledge has never been tested in the courts. Another item carried by a lot of people is a gas bottle. there are strict regs covering this and also your insurance company would probably disown you if there was an incident rendering you liable to lose your licence and your vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gritineye Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 I'm with NFU insurance, they will not cover a trailer that has cooking gear permanently fitted, although a living van is OK without it, but they are quite happy for you to carry the cooker and bottle in the towing vehicle, as most campers do. A loaded trailer is not allowed at all, a living van that carries your personal possessions and equipment for living in the van is not considered loaded. Anything in it that is for use outside the van (awnings barbecues etc.) is a load. Some folk weld a dummy load on so it is part of the trailer. I've never heard of the trailer having to be the same age as the towing vehicle before as Tony says, that's a new one on me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 (edited) I'm with NFU insurance, they will not cover a trailer that has cooking gear permanently fitted, although a living van is OK without it, but they are quite happy for you to carry the cooker and bottle in the towing vehicle, as most campers do. A loaded trailer is not allowed at all, a living van that carries your personal possessions and equipment for living in the van is not considered loaded. Anything in it that is for use outside the van (awnings barbecues etc.) is a load. Some folk weld a dummy load on so it is part of the trailer. I've never heard of the trailer having to be the same age as the towing vehicle before as Tony says, that's a new one on me. Every time you read the regulations something seems to have changed. I'll try and find the form and go through it. The last time I brought a vehicle over from Jersey I got an mot certificate , sent that and a copy of insurance off to DVLA and got the new reg. This time I was faced with a bewlidering form demanding Type Approval, Drive by sound level (dba) and various others. Took the form to the local DVLA to get help. They just filled in the Type Approval/ Catergory 'Over ten years old', sign here and on my way rejoicing. It just seems to be total luck wether who you deal with human or a robot. Edited May 25, 2012 by Tony B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gritineye Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 It just seems to be total luck wether who you deal with human or a robot. Same as supermarkets pricing Tony, confusion marketing means someone somewhere will always get it wrong, so a chance of more profit for DVLA / VOSA / HMG / HMRC and jobs for the boys :mad: :nut: We where talking yesterday about the first Stock car meeting at Arlington Speedway, mid 60s, no one had a trailer so racers where towed on a pole, the kn****red towing cars couldn't manage the hills so they where pushed most of the way by the even more clapped racers, much fun was had and there where police directing traffic when we all arrived. No problem at all! :angel: The only red tape was holding the rubbish wiring together! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Took Katy for her MOT today, found one of the flexi hoses had been nipped by the sterring stop, so have to change that. But as the MOT trst also started the creation of a new log book, every detail had to be entered. The official MOT log on test screen, came up with the information 'From 18th November 2012, no vehicles first used before 1960 will require an MOT. So if the test staions are getting that it must be happening! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessie The Jeep Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Will a pre-1960 restoration that has never been on the UK roads, or registered in the UK, need an MOT to get it on the road? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 (edited) The wording is ' First used prior'. So I suppose if you build a complete vehicle from NOS parts, it was not First used ' prior to 1960. I had a copy of the build card and the vehicle had been previously on UK reg. So the little box was quite happy. An import that was registered some where else shouldn't have any more than the usual hurdles. As the intial MOT on re registry starts the process of the new VL5 I should think it must still contnue. Going to be a right mare's nest. By the by, I also noticed a newly instaled test rig for trailer connectors. Edited June 12, 2012 by Tony B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessie The Jeep Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Reason I ask is the 1943 Ford I'm repairing/rebuilding. As far as I know it spent the war and the years after in the USA until recently imported and bought by me, so it doesn't have any UK history of MOT's or being registered here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike65 Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Reason I ask is the 1943 Ford I'm repairing/rebuilding. As far as I know it spent the war and the years after in the USA until recently imported and bought by me, so it doesn't have any UK history of MOT's or being registered here. Are you sure you got that right? I thought all Jeeps were at the Normandy landings:D Sounds like you have a tricky one there. Mind you if you finish it before November it needs an MOT regardless. After it will probably be a nightmare. As far as I can tell the MOT on first registration for pre-1960 vehicles has not been clarified. All depends on the definition of "first used" However MOTs will still be voluntary so it may be worth it for your own peace of mind. Although looking at your resto thread it will probably be better than original. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big ray Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 So there's no situation when a loaded trailer can be towed? Because I'm sure I've seen plenty of vehicles which are probably MOT exempt with loaded trailers. So what about vehicles that are currently MOT'd that will become exempt in November this year. How will they stand towing? It's all too confusing! If you wish to run with a loaded vehicle or trailer you can still put your vehicle through the M-o-T system and then you qualify............ seems reasonable to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Are you sure you got that right? I thought all Jeeps were at the Normandy landings:DSounds like you have a tricky one there. Mind you if you finish it before November it needs an MOT regardless. After it will probably be a nightmare. As far as I can tell the MOT on first registration for pre-1960 vehicles has not been clarified. All depends on the definition of "first used" However MOTs will still be voluntary so it may be worth it for your own peace of mind. Although looking at your resto thread it will probably be better than original. Mike My DVLA and MOT were quite happy with the copy of the Chrysler build sheet. The declared age was 1943, which is fact a year to early. Might be worth putting an official query in now. By the middle of next year DVLA will ahve fudged an answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tentontipper Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 I haven't seen any mention on this forum, but the consultation regarding removing exemption categories has re-surfaced. The new consultation can be found here: https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/hgv-periodic-testing-and-inspections-exemptions It closes March 5th 2015, so I would suggest anyone with concerns write a letter to the Department. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utt61 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Thanks for the heads-up on this, there are several aspects of grave concern in this paper for those of us with certain exempt vehicles. I fail, for example, to see how road safety would be improved by requiring me to take my Iron Fairy on a 30 miles round trip at 12mph on busy A roads to get it tested so I can continue to drive 3/4 mile a couple of times a year to move it from one yard to another! Bureaucrats, what possible purpose do they serve! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean N Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 They do specifically say it would not be their objective to include non-HGV derived mobile cranes, so your Iron Fairy would still be exempt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utt61 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 However they do also say that this will only happen if they can find a way to describe which vehicles are exempt and which are not, which makes me feel less confident. We have seen too much legislation lately where there have been completely unintended consequences! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean N Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 From the way the consultation's worded I suspect they'll try to do it by type approval. That would exempt your Iron fairy, but I don't know if it would do the same for a modern equivalent. The crucial point for many of the classes of vehicle they discuss is defining what is a specialist chassis and what is HGV based. I don't know enough about type approval to know whether they could make a distinction that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griff66 Posted February 9, 2015 Author Share Posted February 9, 2015 had a email today after contacting the consultation with my concerns about fsc being caught up in this and they confirmed no current plans to change exemption on ferrets ( this obviously refers to post 1960 fsc) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TooTallMike Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 had a email today after contacting the consultation with my concerns about fsc being caught up in this and they confirmed no current plans to change exemption on ferrets ( this obviously refers to post 1960 fsc) Out of interest, what class will a Ferret fall into that will make it exempt if the proposed legislation is brought in? It presumably currently escapes due to being a locomotive but if that class is being made test-able, logic dictates that all vehicles within the class should follow. And to play Devil's Advocate, why should a Ferret be exempt anyway? For example it can be brake tested with a Tapley meter and handbrake tested on a slope. - MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griff66 Posted February 9, 2015 Author Share Posted February 9, 2015 No not currently classed as locomotive ,vosa class them as motor tractors .which is vehicle not constructed to carry a load apart from water fuel accumulators and other equp used for purpose of propulsion and which unladen weight does not exceed 7370 kg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean N Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Out of interest, what class will a Ferret fall into that will make it exempt if the proposed legislation is brought in? It presumably currently escapes due to being a locomotive but if that class is being made test-able, logic dictates that all vehicles within the class should follow. And to play Devil's Advocate, why should a Ferret be exempt anyway? For example it can be brake tested with a Tapley meter and handbrake tested on a slope. - MG Mike, the way I read the proposal, it sounds as though they're trying to bring into the testing regime vehicles which are based on type approved, mass production type vehicles; so to take road construction vehicles, a white line marker built on a truck chassis would be testable, but a road planer would be exempt. I suspect the issue with testing Ferrets and the like, apart from the fact they're classified in an exempt group, might be as much to do with the practicalities of testing as much as whether they can physically be tested - climbing in and out, testers driving them, and so on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toner Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 vosa class them as motor tractors .which is vehicle not constructed to carry a load apart from water fuel accumulators and other equp used for purpose of propulsion and which unladen weight does not exceed 7370 kg. Does anyone think that may be a can of worms for people who carry kit in their ferrets, anything from owners who carry tools to re enactors who have their vehicles fully kitted out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TooTallMike Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Still on the subject of Ferrets I don't see what would stop them being tested. Any issues of climbing in and out can easily be dealt with as per HGVs where it's the driver who carries out all of the operations under the instruction of the examiner. Regardless, as clarified above, they are under the cut-off weight for this consultation so they will remain exempt but it's probably only a matter of time before that loophole is closed. - MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griff66 Posted February 11, 2015 Author Share Posted February 11, 2015 u seem to have a issue :cool2: with ferrets being exempt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean N Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Still on the subject of Ferrets I don't see what would stop them being tested. Any issues of climbing in and out can easily be dealt with as per HGVs where it's the driver who carries out all of the operations under the instruction of the examiner. Regardless, as clarified above, they are under the cut-off weight for this consultation so they will remain exempt but it's probably only a matter of time before that loophole is closed. - MG Examiner normally gets into the cab to check security of controls, operation of warning devices etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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