AmphibAndy

🤣. Quite !

Sorry to have missed this reply. Sadly Nottingham County Council records were one of the Councils that were kept and were supposedly destroyed. I still find it unfathomable that even in the age of Microfiche machines DVLA didnt bother to keep the records.

I can do of course. I think its probably fair to say that both my late father and I , however have the bit between our teeth on this one. But as you said previously I may have to concede defeat to the bureaucracy. "Destroy the records", must surely rank alongside the "pull up the bridges " instructions of Beeching. at best crass stupidity, and at worst blatant vandalism

Nice picture and thank you for the article I will read this evening. Interesting to see the G3WO engine and box all in green as I have restored mine to be, although not a panel in tank in the photo. Not sure where Chapmans were. B13AA32C-DCE2-4E0D-AC83-8C153B33C0B3.heic

Part of the problem is I have built up a dislike of the age related plates the DVLA issues. It immediately suggests the car or bike is either an import or bitza ( to me anyway ) . I love seeing proper local area plates on old machines and it grates that this bike had a plate ( not one worth much I would hazard ) and now it would have to go back on something rather less than appealing. Maybe someone has the old Dawsons sales ledgers.? Now I am getting desperate!

Thanks Lex, you have already, kindly confirmed the frame number and another forum member here has kindly provided me with sales information of my bike. What I cannot provide is a copy of the original log book. Perhaps one day it will turn up on E bay.

Thank you. The M20 was not "active" at the time of computerisation, but I am afraid I dont share your positive view of DVLA and its responsibilities. However you look at it, they took responsibility for vehicles that were registered and in many many cases legitimately off the road. They failed to secure data that their mandate should have required them to do. My father sent in many log books and received few back as they seemed to think it was reasonable not to return historic documents. The M20 was clearly sold to Dawsons as they were based in Nottingham and that is where my registration comes from . The bike was sold at auction in late 1960, the NAU series of numbers were issued in very late/early 1961 in Notts. Numbers either side of my number are issued to BSA and Royal Enfield. It is 100% clear to all who look at this that the number is correct, but DVLA will NOT allocate it back to its rightful place, and cannot provide me with any valid reason why not. They are a pain in the backside , every time I have dealt with them its a nightmare. They are not fit for purpose and should be replaced. Most recently they lost two applications for period numbers on 2 x Jeeps I also own. After a letter to the CEO they issued me with new registration documents. Thankfully I did not send in the buff log books but keep them safe with me.

Reading this again, you mention microfiche copies of registrations. Do you know for sure that local councils provided copies to DVLA? It always seem utterly bonkers that DVLA should have taken over the registration of vehicles from local councils and told them to destroy the records. They are still refusing to reallocate the correct and original number to my bike even though its plain for all that it was correctly painted on the bike when we bought it in 1974. My father mislaid the log book and I promised him before he passed away that I would continue to pursue DVLA for this number. No doubt they want to sell it in one of their auctions at some future date. If there are microfiche maybe there is hope. This is the bike with the original number when I started to restore it in 2015

More great information here. , some marvellous photos of adverts. thanks for sharing. I am just trying to piece as much of the history together as I can. I find that aspect of ownership as much fun as restoring them to be honest.

It is a Nottingham registration yes. Dawson’s I had heard of. I wonder if they are still going ?

Wow! Amazing thank you Clive , Richard and Lex. Is there any likelihood of finding which dealer bought it ? Probably not given what has been said earlier reference one of the Auctioneers.

Thanks again chaps. Such a wealth of information here. Let’s hope our younger generations pick up on all this in years to come

Thank you Lex. I have a copy of that key card and I think it perhaps says Sudbury in a different hand. There is also MAR/1/5(S?)/21 followed by 9 6 61. All no doubt makes perfect sense if you know what it means. I suspect the 9/6/61 is a date. Andrew

Thank you Clive, this all sounds quite promising! By ERM do you mean the post war registrations? if so its 28 YD 15 and it was send from Sudbury to Ruddington with a S/O date of 9/6/61. Fingers crossed you have some more information,. thanks again Andrew

I am looking for information on my WM20 which was sold at Ruddington some time in the second half of 1961. Ideally I would like to discover who it was sold to. Am I looking for the Holy Grail or are these records out there still? Thanks for any help with this.

Thank you . I will take a look at that now.

That is fantastic and since posting I had come up with those exact colour myself, although not the yellow as I am unsure of what that denotes. Can you explain please? In addition , did you spray these or are they brushed, they look exceptional , well done. and thanks for the help Andrew

Thank you for this. Not sure I have ever seen Half Track with Roundels, but there is a first time !

Just looking at the photo, we know the colour of khaki short, khaki webbing straps and even the steering wheel which is khaki. Oh and the seat. The colour of the Jeep looks nothing like any of those!

thank you everyone for the replies and leads on colours. I shall do some research on those now and report back. Much appreciate the help. And Richard I shall call you in the next couple of weeks and have a test drive over to see you. cheers Andrew Oh and this is my Dad in his COs Jeep in Burma, which he categorically confirmed was RAF Blue/Grey ( contentious) he was there from late 43 to 46 .

Resurrecting my old thread , after starting on the restoration of our second Jeep I got side tracked by quite a few other machines! Ah well, its almost done now and looks resplendent in its RAF Blue Grey. My Dad passed away back in December of last year , aged 96 , but I know he is looking down in full approval of it being in this colour. Here he is driving the COs Jeep in Burma, and here is his Willys MB about to launch onto the scene albeit later than first hoped!

Can any kind soul help me with the RAL Colour codes for the RAF Roundels please? I also assume that they were in gloss? many thanks Andrew

Its time for a change . I have owned this T16 since 1980! Fully restored , correctly, and in great detail in 2012. Driven over 30 miles on the road to War and Peace and has been at Combined Ops several times , winning best Tracked Armour in 2019. I stripped this to the hull, replacing all the poor steel above the tracks, and totally rebuilt the engine gearbox, bogies ( all new seals and bearing NOS) and wiring loom from the States. The often missing or incorrectly made tool boxes were remanufactured to exacting details even including the correct lift over catches, sourced from the US. This really is a museum quality vehicle that is guaranteed to start every time and put a very big smile on your face. The T16 was the result of a challenge to Ford USA from the War Office to produce a Carrier and improve on that designed by their colleagues in Canada. The brake band steering is a far superior design to the early warp steering and the more powerful Mercury 100HP engine ensures the T16 really can perform as you would expect. Serious enquiries to andrew.honychurch@gmail.com C7DA9DB9-5B14-4FA6-BEE0-EF24D8DEEE55.mov

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