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Ron ..they are not illegal so it's personal choice but they did not earn the nickname of bacon slicers without reason ..I believe the campaign to get them removed was partly led by motorcyclists at the time . I don't fit front plates to any of my bikes.. The plates i have adorn my garage walls Regards Chris AKA Jenkinov

Ron ..they are not illegal so it's personal choice but they did not earn the nickname of bacon slicers without reason ..I believe the campaign to get them removed was partly led by motorcyclists at the time . I don't fit front plates to any of my bikes.. The plates i have adorn my garage walls Regards Chris AKA Jenkinov

Martyn I note on the front of your bike you have a blade number plate ..on a historic basis these were not used in the war and whilst they were fitted post war became unpopular as they caused severe damage if a bike hit a person .Since the early 70s they have not been required and increasingly are not used even on the post war bikes . I do know of people that drive to shows with them off and then fit them for display purposes . Chris AKA jenkinov

Hi. Martyn Thank you for the frame number photo .. This and the date on the Seat post confirm it's from contract c11465 for 150 triumph 3sw . The triumph factory in Coventry was adjacent to Coventry cathedral and through a series of raids was effectively destroyed in 1940 . Triumph set up a temporary factory at a site called Cape Warwick and effectively using surviving frames engines built the last 159 triumphs 3sws before relocating to Meriden where a new factory was established . After being relocated they shifted production to the triumph 3hw ..the overhead version of the bike . As such your frame is an exceptional survivor of the blitz and one of one a few hundred bikes ever produced at cape Warwick . In terms of its service life i would suggest contacting the RAF museum at Hendon . If any service records do still exist they are likely to hold them or be able to identify where they are held .. Please update us if you do get additional information..the contract records do indicate the contract was fulfilled between 12th August 1941 and 18th Sep 1941 with bikes for the RAF being delivered to Quedgeley . Carlisle and Stafford from the temporary factory at cape warwick Chris AKA Jenkinov P

Hi 79x100 Yes I fully agree.with all you observations ..we can be confident that the frame is military and built in 0745 If the frame number is cleaned up more we can hopefully identify if this is a spare frame to which an number has been added or a re stamped Frame ..unfortunately it's all speculation until the.frame is cleaned . Regards Chris AKA Jenkinov

Hi Tony Thank you for sending in the additional photos and allowing the forum to investigate and discuss the bike. We had indicated that bikes are often 're stamped . Your frame has contradictory stamping . Firstly let's confirm that it's definitely a military frame . There are a number of visual tell tales and these are present . The date under the frame is TE0745 .this is in the correct style and form and the true date of the frame . The visible frame stamp of TL46508 has been added at a later date .As Ron has suggested if you are I interested in u understanding more about this stamp you would need to clean the area and remove the paint plus send in additional photos additional The Engine is clearly a military 3HW engine and dates to 1944. It's from contract s5430 a further photo of the engine number would be helpful as the 4th character is a bit unclear and their appears to be a faint additional stamp possibly a 7 The early triumph 3HWs did have the full petrol tank but by 1944 or 45 the tank would have had a cut corner to have the air filter .so the tank correlates the style of an early 3HW or 3SW but photos of the underside of the tank will confirm it's identity As ever we request more photos but they are key in identification Regards Chris AKA Jenkinov

This is a great reference shot of a triumph 3HW from the national motorcycle reserve collection .

Hi Tony . Must admit to being a bit confused you indicated that the frame number was TL46008 and initially that the date under the seat was 1944 ....it's really useful to have photos of Frame and engine numbers etc as it's not uncommon for these to have been changed over the bikes life as you can see if you look at other threads on the forum . The frame number correlates.to a contract in 1944 but the frame if dated 07 45 would not match with that date unless it's a replacement frame ? So we have 2 potential contract dates for the frame 44 or 45 and a potentially a 3rd different contract date for the engine . The petrol tank appears to have the features of a triumph 3sw which could be potentially from a much earlier. Wartime bike .. Would it be ok if we got some more photos to help you understand the bikes composition Chris AKA Jenkinov

Hi Tony Thank you for the engine photo . Its clearly a 3 hw engine but the stamps show it's from a different bike if your frame number is correct. It would be helpful if ok sent photos of the frame number and seat post date. Contract S2956 was for 5000 bikes and produced between December 1943 and June 1944 the frame numbers can between TL41418 and TK46417 .. There engine numbers between 3HW 51418 and 56417 . The frame number you gave. Was late in this run so correlates to 1944 Tell engine number appears to be from the following contract for 4000 bikes S5430 and had frames TL46418 to 50417 and engines 3hw 56418 to 60417 During its life with the army the bike would have been through the REME workshop in multiple occasions and whilst collectors are sometimes precious on matching frames and engines the army is not . They just want working bikes and your bike appears to have had the engine switched at some point the petrol tank does not have the cut out that features on 3hw tanks but does have 'the features. of a triumph 3Sw petrol tank .These uniquely had the tank badge on the top hence Rons question on the mounting holes. An easier way richest however is the underside of the tank ..if you take a series of photos of its area front to rear i should be able to identify it Regards Chris AKA Jenkinov

Ll)Hi Tony Thank you for sending in the photos .. A large number of 3hws went to India and it's a great source for bikes and parts . From your description it sounds as if you purchased it and imported it ..is that correct.. Ron on this thread has included a photo of how triumph 3hws looked when they left the factory .and it's worthwhile comparing it with your bike .. Post war it was popular to civilianise bikes and replicate the pre and post war chrome .. The wheels would have been painted steel. The exhaust.steel painted black . And the bike itself painted green . The black colour that features on civilianised bike so commonly was often applied straight on top of the army paint . It's clearly an army frame and if it is numbered tl46008 it's from contract s2956 ..which dares it to 1944. If you look under the seat at the seat post from the rear this should have the month and year stamp ..commonly reading ..something like TE0844 so August 1944. Triumph were prolific stampers and the engine should have a engine number containing the 3hw if you send photos of the engine number and any visible stamps we can check the engine matches the frame ? Curious does the petrol tank have a cutaway corner for the

Hi Tony You have to be careful.and identify what percentage the bike is original and not ..this is the.main influencer ..a missing smiths speedo.could cost.over 500...then it's condition a replacement petrol tank again could be 250 plus Do you have the frame and engine number plus photos you can share ? Send. Me.a private message if you want or share them on the forum ..whatever helps Jenkinov

Great find ..it makes you curious how someone has a batch..did they give my any history Jenkinov

Hi Phil I personally have no issues with homages to military bikes ..Harley has done a great homage to the WLA and I've seen some great military style bikes . Whilst military bikes after ww2 were sold very cheaply most were worked to death and resulting genuine military bikes often demand high prices...this has lead to bikes being disguised and passed off as military bikes and regrettably on this forum we have to unpick the true history after purchase I hope that helps Jenkinov

I recently purchased a replica historic wiring loom from autosparks in Nottingham ..I would recommend contacting them with a photo of the colour wiring you require ..they may be.able to supply the correct materials for you to build the loom Jenks

What a great find .... Jenkinov

You can also buy direct from amal. At amalcarb.co.UK Jenkinov

I.Will add ACF50 to my list...I think the key is regular inspections for that and treat /kill the dust asap then protect and monitor the area.... Jenkinov

That should have read kurust on visible rust .grease on cables springs etc and clear waxoyle ...I Jenkinov

A few years ago we were approached and asked if we wanted to buy a classic car .when the garage was opened we saw this gleaming car and thought our luck was in.we reinstated the tyres and pushed the car into the light and I got underneath to look..the whole car was undercoated in bitumen and looked good . I reached under and grabbed the chassis and to my shock was able to crush the chassis with my hand with modest pressure .. The bitumen had disguised the dust which had eaten the car away ..I now use tourist on active rust and then a good paint with grease on springs cables etc and clear wangle so corrosion is visible? Jenkinov

Some amazing lots !

If the bike is to be ridden on the road i would recommend not mounting the front license plate .they are like knives if you hit someone ... Jenkinov

Can anyone read the frame number ? Jenkinov

EBay may have an oil filter under item no 132133860829 ..type that into the search Jenkinov

Just checked and there is a 3sw tank advertised on eBay at £490 in Birmingham the bottom of the tank has none standard features so has either had the bottom cut out to repair it ..replaced with flat sheet steel or it's a copy . Described as good condition but I suspect you will find it has been fitted with a liner and unless you are confident it's ethanol proof these can be a real issue ..I have currently a matchless g12 with a liner that's dissolving and I get milky coloured fuel ... Jenkinov

Hi Bikermoss The triumph 3sw and 5sw tanks are the ones without the cutout the 3hw was with the cut out .my 3sw tank was extremely troublesome due to corrosion .so I spent 4 years tracing a good replacement .. In terms of cost i got mine for c300 but that was 4 years ago ... They do come up but unfortunately many are in poor condition and overpriced ..a battered one regularly is advertised in India at 450 but is currently unsold ..also I have seen copies being offered as genuine but the underside of the tank is always the give away . Hope you find one quicker than I did Jenkinov