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So, what was up with the Atlas? When I say it doesn't work properly, it's things like the off side stabiliser leg goes down but will not go back up by itself, arm extension goes out, but you have to lean on something to push it back in, and so on. Control levers were well seized in places, which is not really surprising as she has spent most of her life outside. Some of them have been bent, presumably by someone attempting to get the thing to behave by forcing the lever over. Take the lot off, and strip to see what's up Once stripped and cleaned it became apparent that some of the original modification work wasn't all that, and a couple of control rods simply couldn't move enough to open the valves properly. So she has most likely been below par since she was first cut down from the original. With a bit of TLC and adjustment the whole thing now works just as it should. There is a hand throttle on the side of the engine cover to turn the revs up when using the Atlas, but I couldn't get that to behave either. You could have just above tick over, which wasn't enough power, or you had the motor screaming at full revs which is not good for it's health. Solution was to replace it with an auxiliary throttle pedal mounted next to the control levers. Perfect, as you stand there working the levers you can put the revs on when you need them and back to tick over when you don't, Good for fuel economy as well I should think. Soon as word got out that it was all working, the "Can you just" jobs turned up. Well, of course I can, any opportunity to show off. Delivering bags of stone for a neighbour Delivering a lathe at work Had to go in the door and down a flight of steps. No problem, I've just got to learn which lever does what. I put numbers on them, but still get it wrong. More practice required

Haven't done anything with it to be honest. Further inspection showed it to be more secure than I first thought. I've done about 800 miles with her now to various shows and jobs out, and it's all good. I've even removed the surplus radius arm.

Well, profuse apologies all round. Write a restoration blog he said, started well and then.....??? Oh dear sorry an' all that, bit of a gap in the scribble. Last post said off to the Detling show. And here we are with the Timber tractor, looking polished and shiny at the Kent Transport Heritage Show Detling. Except this is 2024 a whole year later on, and I haven't written anything in between. Bit of catching up to do. Back to the Tonka, ambition at the time was to get her fit enough to make the journey to the AEC rally at Newark on the May bank holiday weekend. There was a few late nights and long days, but we made it. Biggest panic was getting her safe and road legal. Brakes and steering the main priority and getting all the lights working. Fitted in a couple of local runs to shakedown any problems and got her over to the workshop for a full service. Last minute crisis of a puncture was not in the plan. Bit nervous driving up to Newark, first big run for her, and for me. She drives totally different to any other Militant I have ever driven, and she does bounce a bit with the Atlas right on the back. But of course it made it, she's a Militant. 180 miles each way, no problem. Caused quite a stir with the viewing public, this picture appeared in several truck mags, with people questioning whether she is a Militant or a Matador with a cab swop. Chuffed to bits it all worked, 2 trucks to the big show, brilliant weekend. Back home and the serious work can get started. First job, the Atlas, It does work, I've seen photos and video of it in action. Just doesn't work very well, investigation required

Haven't looked at this thread for a couple of years. So just been reading up on what I've been missing. Incredible job you are doing there and you have achieved so much. Is that dogged determination, or too stupid to know when to stop? Anyway, absolutely well done, and thanks for writing about it all

Evening all, I'm looking for a temperature sensor for a Militant. Part No. FV60668 I'm told they are the same as fitted to a lot of Military stuff in the fifties and sixties. Anyone able to help? Thanks in advance.

Yes, but the Atlas doesn't work because some fool left a pipe undone and it chucked all it's oil out

Thanks for the replies, gents. I've got 25lts of Ultramax 46. Local plant company reckons that would do, as much the same spec as 32 Just wanted a second opinion or two

Hi all, anybody know the correct hydraulic oil to use in an Atlas crane on a Militant? If my memory is still good we used to use OM33 for most plant hydraulics, back in the day, but what is a civilian equivalent?

Thanks for the replies folks, at least I know what it is now, any ideas of value in it's current condition?

Any body able to shed any light on this little beastie? Helping a friend clear a barn full of tractors and stuff and found this. Has a plate on it showing Douglas, but no other readable information. I'm guessing ex RAF from 1960's

I thought it was longer than 3 years, but then, I am old and get confused easily. You've done a damn fine job with her, mate, well done. What are the local shows you are doing, be nice to come along and have a good look at her?

Few more pictures this evening, then. Another missing part or parts was mirrors, well mirror arms in particular. I know they are Bedford RL arms that were modified by the REME, so I put the word out on here and other forums to see if anybody had a spare set. Couple of weeks ago I was offered a pair of Bedford arms that I could be modify to fit. The seller wanted £100 for the pair. I thought stuff that, £100 for what is essentially a couple of bits of bent tube!! Bit over the top. And then, the penny dropped. Bits of bent tube? If I had a pipe bender, surely I could get some tube and make my own for a lot less than £100. A quick look on the net, lengths of tube, tenner each. Pipe bender on facebook market place for a score. Half an hours work and we have two mirror arms for £40, that's better. Just need a couple of mounting brackets. Bit of flat bar with a tab welded on. Have I got a bit of flat bar? No. But I have got an old window winder in the scrap bucket That'll do. Bit more recycling coming up Two brackets, and two more to come from the other window winder. Job done. With the inside of the cab now in top coat and just the ceiling to paint, it's time to start fitting stuff back in. For some reason the photo makes the paint look pink! Honest it is dark red like the other truck. This was last weekend, and the main electrics are going in here, with the addition of a master switch. I've moved the batteries off the floor and onto the storage tray that fits behind the seat. Timber Tractor ones are in the same place and I've found it very useful having them up there when you want to connect extra stuff like phone charger. I managed to measure and make up a battery clamp, but failed miserably with the link cable. Too long and the terminals are back to front too. Another annoying set back that made things difficult for checking the wiring etc as I was putting it in. Still, every thing else seemed to be OK, but she wouldn't start from the dashboard, and I had to hot wire the starter trigger feed to get her to turn over. She still didn't want to go anyway. As I have had the fuel system in bits it all needed bleeding through and a couple of injectors cracking off to get the air out. Once done she fired up nicely. Far better than the last time I had her going when I drove her onto the farm. No smoke this time, and no knocking from over fuelling, which says the new air filter and the reworked fuel system are doing fine. Batteries are charging, red light on the dash goes out just as it should. The not starting from the dash has been traced to a loose connection, and a new link lead has been made up for the batteries. She also needs a new oil pressure sender unit which should arrive tomorrow, so it's all looking good so far. Got to play with the Timber Tractor this weekend, she's out to the Detling show next week and needs a wash and polish etc

Well overdue another update on the restoration, I must get back into the swing of doing these more often. I have been taking a lot of photos, so there is plenty to see. Work has carried on at a cracking pace, most weekends. Still with an eye to making the AEC Rally at the end of May, but the clock is ticking faster each week, it's going to be a close one. Finished off the doors, with both needing a small section of the outer skin replacing Also, there was the other usual problem, both window winders worn out. Easy fix for these, they are almost identical to those fitted to Morris Minors, and new ones easy to find on the net. After the repairs, fresh coat of paint. I've only done the inside for now, outside will get done when the rest of the exterior resprayed. Fuel filter, engine cover and storage bins got done at the same time While we are talking doors, does anybody know if Forum member Ian43 is still doing M.V. keys? Could do with some for the door locks, but I haven't been able to get hold of him. Solved the air filter problem, with the purchase of a Leyland DAF unit, that is small enough to fit in between the back of the cab and the headboard of the body. Unfortunately it didn't have a rain cap, but I managed to invent one using the bottom of an old oil filter, and an exhaust pipe joining piece. Also had to make a right angle piece to fit through the back of the cab I have had one or two set backs, where things haven't gone to plan. Nothing serious and in some cases quite trivial, but none the less annoying and time consuming. The back window of the cab being one of them. The window behind the passengers seat had been plated over and used as the mounting for the hideous air filter. With the filter gone, plan was to return the window to being a window again complete with glass. The old blanking plate could provide a template for the new glass, using the painted area, less a few millimetres for the rubber seal. That didn't work, new glass was far to big all round to fit in. So I had the daft idea of using the window from the Timber Tractor as a template. Easy enough to get out and put back after, except that your have to raise the jib to be able to open the spare wheel carrier to get to the glass. Big delay, and then I find the two windows are completely different sizes, anyway. I knew there were a few differences between the earlier Park Royal cabs and the later Marshall ones, but never realised the back window was one of them. Still, managed to get the glass cut down, and we now have a full set of windows I couldn't use the blanking plate a second time because it had already moved on to a new career. Making missing parts has been a big part of the work so far, and one of the more important missing bits was the little box that contains the indicator switch, flasher unit and warning lights. Old window panel Cut, fold and stick First paint job didn't go too well, so sand it back and start again Add a couple of water slide transfers, and there you go, all ready to plug and play. Fuel system has been overhauled, and all the dodgy rubber hoses replaced with proper metal pipes. The original filter has been refitted, and a nice modern filter separator added to make sure only clean diesel gets to the engine There's more, but I've run out of time this evening, will continue tomorrow

If you do have a spare plug, John, it would be much appreciated. I have nothing at all just now.

Anybody recognise this plug fitting? It's the temperature sensor for my new Militant and is different from the usual Militant (Plessey type) of plug, not that I have one of those either.. As you can see it has quite a fine screw thread and 2 narrow pins to make the connection. I wasn't sure where to post this. I didn't want to post it as a wanted ad as I'm not sure what I do want. Is it a plug or an adaptor to convert to Plessey that I need. Or maybe a different sensor altogether? Or maybe I am just being stupid. Thanks for looking anyway Can't believe I forgot to put the picture up. Now that is stoopid. Thanks John1950 for the reminder

One month into the project so probably time for a progress report. First off I've learnt a good deal about the history of the beast, haven't got the full story yet, I really need to get in touch with the man that built it. This may well happen, apparently he is alive and well and still living in Leyburn, so next time I'm up that way visiting the in laws, I'll be doing a spot of visiting myself. One thing I have established, she is not the tipper shown in the earlier photograph. The cab looks like it might have come from it, there are quite a few details that match the one she is currently wearing. Managed to get in touch with her second owner, a showland traction engine type called Peter. He made up the rear body and picked up the cab from a field in Windsor the day Prince Harry got married in 2018. He said he literally plonked the cab on intending to fit it properly later, but never got round to it. This explains all the loose panels and missing bolts etc. It must have looked interesting before that, just a chassis with an Atlas bolted to the back. Peter also told me that Ralph Brown bought her from the MOD specifically to chop down for working on the construction of a place called the "The Forbidden Corner" These days The Forbidden Corner is a popular tourist attraction in Leyburn and a great place to take the kids. Unfortunately, despite the best efforts of Tony and the crew at the RLC Archive, the "B" vehicle record is not to be found. So her Military history is a bit vague. Not even sure of her ERM, although it is reasonable to believe she was 39EL48, because her sister motors either side match up. We do know she was a Long Wheel Base G.S. Cargo wagon and was probably fitted with the Atlas in the 1970's. Date into service was Jan 1965, and date leaving Sep 1993. How's the restoration going? Not bad at all given the time of year. Interior of the cab has been stripped out and the various missing bolts, brackets and bits have been replaced. Paintwork has been flatted back and is now in primer awaiting the top coat. Engine covers are already in the finished colour of dark red, to match the Timber Tractor Cab doors didn't look too bad, but are suffering from the usual Militant problem of corrosion along the bottom edge Nothing that can't be fixed, and something that can be done in the shed when it's cold and miserable outside. Recycled an old oil drum to make a pair of overhead storage trays, to replace the missing ones. There's room to fit them now that the over size air cleaner has been removed. It's all coming along nicely

That looks like the very thing I was thinking of. Where does that appear? I'm not after specific vehicles as such, more generic information of batches or orders of vehicles or rather Militants. I only used the EK registration as an example, I know there were CL and ER registrations also allocated to Militants, but how many, and what others?

Any body know if there is like a giant register of what registration numbers were allocated to batches of vehicles? E.G. I'm told the range 17EK96 to 18EK77 was issued to an order of Militants. Who would have such a list, and how can I get to view it? Thanks for looking, any ideas welcomed

Calling all Mk1 Militant owners. I am slowly compiling a list of all known Mk1 Militants still in existance. Whether that be still in Military guise or in their second civilian life. If you own or have owned, or know somebody who owns one, please can I have whatever info you know of like chassis number, current registration, Military reg, date built etc. Either by posting here or send me a PM. Every little helps build the big picture. Many thanks

So, what have we got? She used to be a full size Militant once upon a time, but I've yet to find out exactly what. Research has started with a chassis search at the RLC archive to get her Army reg and record card. I've got the original AEC build sheets, she is chassis number 0860 1398 made in 1964 under War Office contract WV/2216/DC12(B) Apparently she looked like this before the surgery, which was carried out by a guy called Ralph Brown of Leyburn Yorkshire. He built it for loading stone in his yard. Cab certainly looks the same, right down to the little split in the rubber radiator surround. But the tipper body isn't Military, so it had seen some changes before then. No idea on dates for all this work, but the V5 and registration number were issued to a second owner in 2019. That makes me think it hasn't been out on the road since it was cut down. Jack bought it in 2021 and hasn't been any where in it, previous to that the country was in lock down so where would you take it? Without registration you can't go anywhere anyway. You have to be careful what you do write about stuff like this. Slagging off a previous owners work doesn't go down too well, but the old girl has some issues that are quite scary, and will need sorting before venturing out too far. Atlas all works and it's mountings and rear body are very nice. Love the drop down sides and little load bed. Spare 1400 bar grips will be going up for sale shortly. She does start and run OK, which is quite surprising. Here's the fuel filter, laid in the passengers footwell! And various fuel pipes chopped off and replaced with rubber hose held on with cable ties. Electrics are pretty non existent, and me and Jack had been working on these, acquiring missing bits and replacing looms and lights etc Biggest concern is the rear axle. Originally the two rear axles would have been on leaf springs mounted on a big central cross bar. Single axle is now fixed direct to the chassis. Not a problem in itself, lots of plant and tractors are quite happy with a fixed rear axle. Mounting plates are strong enough, but seems to be only a couple of small bolts holding it on to the chassis. Also, nice "round" U bolts holding a nice "round" axle in. Needs a radius arm or something to stop it creeping That should be this one, but it's only connected at one end. Cab fitting seems to be a similar standard. It's all there, and in good condition, but there's not much actually holding it together. Looks like it was done as a right rush job, bolts missing every where. Floor plate here, for example, mounts the brake pedal etc. Not a single bolt holding it down, go to stamp on the brakes and it all moves about. Nothing holding the drivers seat in either, it was just sitting there. Plan for work is sort the inside of the cab first, and then fit up the electrics in the right place, and go from there. However, this sort of fell at the first hurdle. This poor old geezer can't climb in and out of the cab. Might have shiny new wheel arches, but the steps are missing. First job make new steps Second job, get rid of the monstrous air filter that is blocking the passengers seat area. Not sure what to do as an alternative, but I certainly don't want that thing sitting next to me when I do get to drive about in it. Incidently I'd like that to be for the AEC rally at Newark in May next year, so it's finger out and get on with sorting her out. More pictures and scribble to come.

I wasn't sure whether to do a restoration blog for this Militant, or not, as it is a long way from it's days in service and it is going to stay in civilian guise. But following comments made at the end of the Tanker blog and some very encouraging PM's from a few friends, here we are. That said, if I'm honest, I find it quite nice sitting at the computer in an evening with a glass of something writing about the days progress, or lack of, depending on what occurred. And that's quite funny in itself, as I hated writing essays and such in English lessons at school, eventually getting thrown out of the class. Then I had to redo it all in college. These days I do blogs, magazine articles and all sorts of stuff, so here we go. Finished restoring the Tanker earlier in the year, and had a good summer driving her around to various shows. The grin just gets wider as you drive about, with people waving and taking your picture etc. But for me, the real buzz comes from the actual restoration. When you can start with this, Clean the water and shite out of it And finish up with this The satisfaction is beyond anything else. I wasn't actually looking for another restoration project, I'd been doing a few bits for other Militant owners, including this one, hence the dashboard pictures. It was owned by a guy called Jack Hendy. He is a young farmer trying to keep a family and a substantial dairy herd going. Despite loads of enthusiasm he hasn't really got the time to devote to a Militant restoration. So I've taken it on. Here she is getting delivered last month by BS Transport of Crawley. Big shout out to them for a job well done at a good price. And here she is at her new home on the farm. Big thank you to my Aunt and Uncle for allowing me a second parking space. The good Wife has christened it MilliTonka on account of it being like a Tonka toy with the Atlas on the back.

There's quite a few out and about that have had "surgery"

One last post to bring the Tanker restoration to a close. This is her departing to a new home. She has been sold to a friend who will pamper to her every need, and keep her indoors in the warm and dry. She will still get out and about to shows, mind, but only if the weather is nice. So I don't get Militant withdrawal symptoms, I've just picked up this cheeky little number, which was looking for a bit of love and attention. It's had some quite serious modifications over the years and will make an interesting blog, even if it is no longer in Deep Bronze Green

They look about right

Hi Richard, I've since been told the same. Apparently MK ones have a spring loaded retainer at the top. As John1950 points out they would be quite easy to make, they're only a bit of bent tube at the end of the day