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    Great War paint color

    in Pre WW2 vehicles

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    Hello all

    When vehicles are restored to "proper" Great War configuration. are you using the same color on WD vehicles as on US Army lorries? Or, as I suspect, is there a difference? Here in the States it is very difficult to come up with the right mixture. We usually wind up with too much green . On the FWD pictured posted by Steve on the thread about Great War trucks remaining is that a distinctly different color than WD vehicles???Also is there a formula or manufacturer that I could reference for US trucks. Thanks

    bob

    How Many Great War Vehicles Remaining???

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    As per earlier post Bernard Afchain in France has several Great War trucks in his collection - all for sale incl. several Ford model T ambulances, AC Macks in varying condition and Packhard.

     

    http://www.voituresanciennes.net/camions2restaura.html

    http://www.voituresanciennes.net/camions3restaura.html

     

    Having seen these vehicles in the flesh I have to say they would all make good restoration prospects although presenting different degrees of challenge!

     

    - MG

    Hello Mike

    are there any photos of the ambulances available??

    thanks

    bob

    How Many Great War Vehicles Remaining???

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    Posted · Edited by bobs1918

    ok

    seems we are skipping about rather than doing one vehicle at a time.

    Here are three of the four model 1918 Dodge Light Repair Trucks left from the 1012 made for US Army contract

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    1 is in my collection www.globalarray.net/user/bobspics/mydblrt.JPG

     

    1 is at the Pennsylvania Military Museum www.globalarray.net/user/bobspics/pmmdblrt.JPG

     

    1 is at Fort MacArthur in California www.globalarray.net/user/bobspics/1918dblrt.jpg

    There is a 4th unrestored example in private hands.

    The California and Pennsylvania examples show some post war modifications.

    How Many Great War Vehicles Remaining???

    in Pre WW2 vehicles

    Posted · Edited by bobs1918

    Alright then

    As for the Liberty Trucks we had 21 on my list to date. To that Tim adds in recent postings:

    2 in Texas

    1 more in Canada

    9 with Hayes Otoupalik( not sure if he has sold them and they are already in the total)

    1 Adrian Winget

    I unlisted collection in US

    Plus 30 or so estimated in France

    SO WE ARE UP TO ABOUT55- 65 LIBERTY TRUCKS...........I will add to this as others come in or alter totals if vehicles are listed twice.

    Insofar as I picked the Liberty to start on can we plan on a UK lorry for the next vehicle please. I expect the numbers to be smaller so perhaps we can do a couple of types simultaneously. You guys pick it!!!

    bob

    How Many Great War Vehicles Remaining???

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    USA Class B Liberty, came to me from Spain in two halves, all chassis and mechanical components are original, body new. Originally used by US in France. Restored in my workshop for East Sussex collector.

    Richard Peskett.

    OK that adds 1 in the UK. I am sure that there are others.

    Off topic but I would like to post some Liberty pictures. How do I do this without posting a link which the reader must click on??

    bob

    How Many Great War Vehicles Remaining???

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    Posted · Edited by bobs1918

    ok gentleman

    YES THIS IS TO BE WORLDWIDE

    I would be glad to undertake the tabulation and categorization of remaining Great War vehicles.

    I started here in the States via internet search and previous posts on forums.

    Liberty Trucks all makes:

    Ft. Eustis

    National Museum of the Air Force

    Ft. Bliss

    First Division Museum

    Virginia Military Preservation Association

    National Infantry Museum Oregon Military Museum

    Iowa Military Museum

    Allen County Museum Lima Ohio

    Camp Creek Waverly Neb

    National Marine Corps Museum Quantico VA

    Oregon military Museum

    Texas Military Forces Museum

    Leo Frank chassis

    Canada-location unknown

    One sold in Mass year or so ago

    Joe Bohannon collection

    Motor Transport Museum Campo CA(possibly more than one)

    Wyman Living History Museum .Wyoming

    Oliver..........Southern France

    Hays Truck Museum Woodland CA

    Collector in Sussex, UK (see posted picture)

    Now please submit other known vehicles can be added or more clarification made on listed units.

    We can do this for each vehicular type and for the moment I do not think it necessary to be too specific as to whether the vehicle actually served or was made during the period but rather is it a representative of a Great War vehicle. We can list any vehicle meeting that criteria and in parenthesis we can add any pertinent information that is provided with the machine's submission.

    How does that sound???

    In order not to overwhelm me with your submissions and to allow time for those interested enough to participate can we then do this one vehicle for say 2 weeks and then open it up for the next group? We can then move the search to your side of the Atlantic for a British made lorry/vehicle type.

    How Many Great War Vehicles Remaining???

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    I am glad that my posting has elicited some thoughtful replies. A key part of the inquiry then needs to be redefined. To provide the most accurate estimate as to remaining Great War vehicles we should have at least two categories. Those vehicles, either original or restored, and built soley for the war effort prior to 11-11-18 are category one. Category one vehicles should at least have some substantial portion, ie frame or body, meeting the criteria established for category 1. When the actual history of say a chassis is unknown we can categorize these vehicles as Category 1-a

    Vehicles commandeered for service but originally built for commercial use are category 2.If now reconfigured as civilian this could be Cat 2-a

    We can add a third category as those period vehicles done up in military configuration but NOT in any way an actual survivor. This last group would not be considered in the Grand Total of Great War vehicles remaining.

    There are a number of First War tanks but these should occupy their own distinct category.

    I welcome any further refinement

    bob

    There is also an ORIGINAL Cadillac touring model 57 here in the states that has a documented WW 1 pedigree.

    How Many Great War Vehicles Remaining???

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    Hello gents

    I was wondering if anybody has tried to get a count on the number of WW 1 vehicles remaining. I have also posted the question on the U.S. forum dedicated to pre ww2 vehicles. If you would then either post your vehicle or one that you know to be in a collection or museum maybe we could get a total as we approach the 100th anniversary of the Great War.

    I will start with the 4 known m1918 Dodge Light Repair trucks.

    2 in private hands , 1 at Ft MacArthur , 1 at PA Military History Museum.

    WW1 Dennis truck find

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    Matt paint: the final mix , well first point is to buy more than enough paint for the entire job, although mixed by suppliers to a spec. batches always vary slightly, experiment with the matting agent until it looks and dries out right, start with 2 parts finish to 1 matting, then add more matting, 1 to 1 is certainly too strong. Also remember the final colour is not that important as original the paint would have been made in a totally different way from today and without doubt there were great variations in shades and no body would have worried about that at the time. Somewhere I have the spec. of how to make the paint for WW1 US army, now virtually impossible to reproduce as some of the ingredients are probably illegal !

    There are also matt or semi matt varnishes now available but again I suspect they are only intended for interior use.

    Richard Peskett.

    Hello Richard, First my apologies for hijacking this most incredible thread. I am finishing the restoration of a US Army model 1918 Light Repair Truck. I am having the most difficult time with getting a paint color that seems "right" Any chance that you could share what you have on the US Army ww 1 paint??? Thanks bob

    Here is a link to that vehicle in its present color http://www.globalarray.net/user/bobspics/fdr2011a.JPG

    Introduction from Bob in Northeast U.S.

    in Introductions & Welcomes

    Posted · Edited by bobs1918

    Hello

    glad to share

    Here is the 16 and the 18. The 16 was a 4 year frame up restoration. It is restored to ww 1 configuration. the 1916s were first used by US forces along the Mexican border in pursuit of Poncho Villa. My 16 was originally a standard DB touring car as were ALL of Pershing's car during the campaign. The 18 was one of the group of repair trucks NOT to go to France. About 500 did . The rest stayed in the US. This is one of 3 known to exist. 1 is in LA California museum the other in Pennsylvania military museum. Mine is the most complete and original example remaining. Owned for 50 years by a gentleman in Northern California. It had been a farm vehicle after ww 1 and used as a plow truck!!! I have been working on it to restore to original configuration. Enjoy the picture .I have more if you want . Bob http://www.globalarray.net/user/bobspics/1618b.jpg

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