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  1. Good morning all, if it’s of interest I‘ve came across this photo on eBay, item number 333814538193 Happy new year all. David
  2. The roller bearings eccentrics are certainly a very favourable item my foden carries, as you say Hedd this is usually the limiting factor with the plain cast iron eccentrics other 5 ton wagons have. The roller bearings are a bit of a puzzle to me at the moment, having looked at most of the other surviving 5 ton Fodens mine seams to be the only one carrying them. Mike Wilkinson’s WD liveried one is slightly newer than mine but is on cast iron. There is nothing on the build sheet saying they were special order, or an experiment etc, and likewise there’s no comment on the build sheet about them being ordered later in its life, where as the fact that Fodens supplied the Pickering Govenors in 1937 is recorded. As the history of the wagon during preservation is well know, and the fact it spent several decades sat in a museum certainly tells us that they are a pre-preservation fitment. What’s the chances of finding a nice convenient date stamp on them somewhere...?! David
  3. Crikey! How did this show itself, whilst under restoration or in steam? Did it do much damage? I’ve heard of a couple of engines have their flywheels fall off (a Garrett near me had this happen only a few years ago, when the crank sheered next to the main bearing and the flywheel shot backwards and down the road, which must have been very “exciting” for all concerned)
  4. Thank you Hedd, that’s much appreciated. I assumed the radi and key ways would be the weak spots, but will certainly follow your advice and get the cans of die-pen out again and do the centre of the webs. Many thanks David
  5. Not at all Dave, the big press is a very gentle and controllable lump. With so much power available you can go really slow and steady, and the frame is very very rigid, so you can easily watch what’s happening and ease the load on. Dave
  6. Progressing with work on the Foden, the latest struggle has been trying to get the eccentrics off the crankshaft, they were a right bugger! I ended up using the handy 100 ton press at the farm workshops, which although we weren’t on max pressure it was wound up quite high, so at a guess 60+ ton of pressing and that shifted them! I forgot to take photos of the job in progress as I was on a mission and frankly was so pleased how it went I forgot! Unfortunatly I had to remove the ballance weights to make it fit into the press, something I didn’t really want to do, as the crank grinding firm said they could grind with them attached but in the end I had too! interestingly the crank has always been a black colour, this turned out to be 100 years of oil and dirt, once this was removed I discovered that the crank was never painted, there isn’t a single spec of any undercoat, red lead, or colour of any sort on the crank, just the machining marks, so this is how it’s going to go back! Today I’ve mainly been cleaning up the crank, and then crack tested all the radi and key ways, thankfully all is looking good with no flaws being detected, so now I have to wait until the grinders are ready which I was hoping would be this side of Christmas (that dreaded word!) but with lockdown etc coming back I fear it may roll over into next year. In the meantime I will start to work on making new eccentrics with non-knackered rollers and work continues on the cab. sorry for the lack of photos David
  7. Thank you for your comments. I intend to conserve as much of the Foden as possible wherever I can. Likewise I am trying to document what I find as and when I find things so there is a record for the future (and to remind myself when I forget what I did yesterday!)
  8. A few days off this week has meant I could do some more Foden work. Firstly I got the flywheel off the crankshaft, this now leaves the roller bearings eccentrics to get off then the crank can go for grinding, the journals aren’t in great condition so will definatly benefit from being ground. Having got the cab off and home a couple of weeks ago today I have been stripping the cab with help from a carpenter friend. The cab has certainly had major work in the past, as both the roof and rear boards are clearly not the origionals. There are more than one set of nail holes in the roof cross members, and on the rear planks I found maroon paint down behind the rear cross member, so these were clearly painted prior to being fitted. The roof cross members are Ash, and due to water getting under the roof canvas several have rotted on the ends (indeed some ends are totally missing!) the roof and rear boards of the cab are tongue and groove pine and are all reusable. The big rear cross member at the bottom of the cab is oak. The is reusable but with some attention! my aim is to conserve the cab as much as possible. We are going to scarf new pieces of wood into place rather than replace completely, to try and keep the cab as origional as possible. My jig for holding the shape of the cab together has worked well, which I am very pleased about! Something which interested me is that the mortice and tenon joints on the rear of the cab have a 1/2” bolt going up through them, with the bolt neatly recessed into a pocket (with a piece of wood plugging the hole) to pull the joint tightly in together. These proved a pain to undo, but I managed to weld a handle onto the nut, the heat helping to break the rust and then being able to hold this to stop it trying to turn and chew the wood. hope this is of interest and that the photos help explain today’s work better than my description! David
  9. Thank you for your comments. In 1937 the Foden was fitted with a set of Pickering Governors for driving a stone crusher in the quarry, so as these are on the Foden now I feel that it would be chronologically incorrect if I were to return it to its WW1 guise. After it’s life with Devon CC It was sold (in 1950) to Mr Shambrook of Devon (for £18) and then in 1962 to Paul Corin if Cornwall. During this period of ownership it was painted maroon and that is how it was when sent to America in 1966, and likewise when it returned in 1991. When it was painted maroon, thankfully (for us!) the paint work was not taken back to bare metal. And upon stripping the Maroon paintwork (whilst in the ownership of Colin Wheeler) much of the Devon CC livery was discovered. personally I have always been an admirer of “the WD Foden” (now owned by Mr Wilkinson) and saw it several times whilst in the ownership of Dennis Brandt. (Incedentally a friend who I help with his collection of Veteran Cars viewed the Foden when it was still in France and has photos of it from that period) I’ve attached a few photos which may be of interest. The first two are of it around 1950(ish) as it is minus the body, and has the Devon CC “curtains” around the cab - these were a pair of sheets which slid along a wire (visible in the photo if you look carefully) and I would imagine very welcome when working in the quarry, however some work appears to be going on, as the motion sheets are removed and not in the photos. The third photo is of it when painted Maroon and in the ownership of Toby Slingsby. This was taken at the Parham Rally in West Sussex sometime between 1995 - 2000 hope this is of interest. David
  10. this was on another forum, a chap is building a half size traction engine in the US. He made a mould and made his own rubber tyres. May be of interest / use? The relevant part is near the end of the first page. hopefully this link will work: https://tractiontalkforum.com/showthread.php?t=45771 david
  11. Thanks Dave, yeah the jig has worked out well - so far! I’m doing to have to take the side pieces off the cab so need to keep the verticals in the right places so it lines up when I come to put it on again. With the casters I could lift it onto a trailer at the farm, then when I got home rolled it into the garage, I should have used casters with brakes on them to be neater as I’ve now jacked the jig up and put onto planks of wood in the garage as it rolls around too easily! a couple of photos of the steel bracing and one of the rotted cross members which will need replacing.
  12. So, rather than being at a certain West Country steam rally with the Burrell this weekend has been spent doing some more Foden destruction! The cab is very origional, but also very rotten, with several parts plated and strengthened by the previous owner, my intention is to retain as much of the origional timber as possible and splice in new wherever possible. So yesterday saw the cab being removed and bolted onto a framework as a jig to keep all the uprights in place (the centre support isn’t shown in the photos, this was added later as I needed the cab off to fit them) the cab is now home so I can work on it in the relative luxury of the garage. Next to come out was the crank, this is in need of some serious work, the main bearing and big end journals are very scored so a regrind is required. Also the roller bearing eccentrics are life expired and will need replacing, however the first task is going to be getting the flywheel and eccentrics off the crank. With all the motion now removed I can inspect all the parts and work forward, however most parts will need work, but I have a workshop at home so most machining jobs can be done “in house” (apart from the crank grind) so I’m looking forward to getting stuck into it. Today has Been spent steam cleaning the boiler and various components, further updates to follow!
  13. Thanks Hedd, I was very lucky to pick up three of those lamps, 2 are like this one and brand new, never lit, it was a good discovery! I have a P&H self generating headlamp for the Foden (the lamp is currently under restoration). What made me wonder is the build sheet states it was supplied to WD with “Dependence fronts and tails, P&H headlight” so I assumed only the self generating to be a P&H lamp?
  14. Thank you for that. That’s me driving, the Foden was still owned by its previous owner Colin Wheeler at this time. Thank you for sharing. David
  15. Good evening. Sorry to start another new thread on lamps, but I wonder if some of you knowledgable people can help. Within my collection of lamps I have three of these lamps. As you can see by the photos they are twin fork mounted, stand 13” high to the top of the handle, and have a brass plate on with the description “DEPENDENCE J&R Oldfield Type No 443” From the look of them I think it’s fair to say this one has never been lit, neither has another of the set, whilst the third has. (All three are front lamps) Something that has made me think about this group is that they have only a front lens, there is no rear red lens (like my Lucas King of the road lamps have) so I wonder if they would have been fitted to a vehicle with a “scuttle” so the rear of the lamp wouldn’t be visible? There are no WD markings, so I’m not saying they are correct for a military vehicle, however someone might know what vehicles did carry them? On the build sheet for my Foden it says it was supplied new to the WD with a set of “Oldfield Dependence lamps” but I have always assumed these would have WD stamped into them, and likewise would have a red lens at the rear (again like the Lucas lamps which it would have been supplied with it it went into civilian ownership when new? All thoughts, comments and observations are very welcome. David
  16. Yes Dave, the block has two pipes which go down into the steam space with nuts on the bottom. Rather than having a big hole like on an Aveling etc. Off the top of my head I think it has 16 5/8” bolts just to locate the cylinder.
  17. Well, it’s fair to say that this season isn’t quite going to plan is it! Last time I posted back in May I was saying about my planned trip to France... if all had gone to plan after that I was to attend a show on Guernsey, before taking the Foden back to Devon to mark the centenary of it being purchased by Devon County Council - but alas it wasn’t to be! The covid lockdown and cancellation of events has moved my planned winter maintenance forward by a few months, this year my Foden comes up for its 10 year hydraulic boiler test. The firebox and front tubeplate were replaced 20 years ago and the same set of boiler tubes have been in it since, and although still in reasonable condition I thought it sensible to replace them whilst the boiler is stripped. So first job was to remove the outer smokebox (for those unfamiliar to Foden wagons the boiler barrel extends into the smokebox, but there is a “outer smokebox” with the gap between them lagged. This outer is held on by 1/2” rivets and is only lightweight so is easily removed. Anyway, once this was removed it was a simple case of grinding the ends of the tubes flush in the firebox and then pulling the tubes out the front, the 53 smoke tubes, and single stay tube were withdrawn within a hour and a half, and then my next job is to needle gun the inside of the barrel - not an easy task with the very small door in the front tubeplate to work through, but it’s all done now. Removal of fittings and studs was a tedious as always with several broken studs to attend too - and always the ones in the most awkward places! My next job is to remove the cab and crank (it needs a grind and new bearings etc) then I’m going to lift the boiler assemble out of the chassis, that way I can take the “power unit” home to work on in my shed, rather than having to drive for an hour to get to where the wagon is kept. Slow progress, but I hope this is of interest. With all the fantastic restoration blogs on here, and photos of things going back together, I thought I’d buck the trend and take mine apart !!!
  18. Where are you based Ben? I get aluminium castings done by “Harling Foundry” in Hastings, they are very sympathetic with work on older stuff and delicate with patterns. They do quite a lot of vintage and veteran car stuff for me. Lloyd (the boss man) is very pleasant and knowledgeable. 01424 443160 If that’s any help.
  19. From what I have been told the lorry and it’s contents have been found, Apparently in a layby and no damage to the cargo. Police are there and hopefully they may catch the scum who did this. But, I’ve taken it as a wake up call for the security of my stuff!
  20. Sorry to have to share this, a friend has had his Scania curtain side lorry stolen last night. In the back was his Clayton Steam Lorry. Please can people keep an eye out, and also be aware of this theft, it’s certainly making me think about the security of our vehicles.
  21. Does anyone know how this project is progressing? I remember it when Chris Jones had it at Chatham, I often wondered what became of it. Likewise Karl Hopper had what I recall was a Thornycroft (but I am probably wrong, I was very young at the time) which came from the Philp Auction - although I stand to be corrected on that!
  22. Good evening. It’s a mainly tractor event at Gournay-en-Bray, but three engines were planning on steaming from home (Hadlow Down) to Newhaven to catch the ferry to Dieppe then it’s about 50 miles down through France to the rally. Some friends did it last year with vintage tractors and this was going to be the first time with steam, so hopefully we can do it again another year.
  23. I hope this is of interest, it’s an account of a steam wagon driver, driving something much like my own wagon. It is from “The Worlds Fair” of January 1916 JUST ONE DAY IN A WAGON IN FRANCE - by “Norman” ’There are eighty four steam wagons “parked” in one large yard, hence its name “Lurry Park”. You set off at 4.30am from your tent, which is a good mile from the above mentioned park, and on arriving you start a game of “hunt your slipper”, or I should say hunt your engine; for remember there are eighty four engines, all like yours and the majority of them have been parked after yours. Now, in your hunt you have to be very careful because if you happen to make a mistake and commence to climb on the wrong one, you are in danger of a clump in the ear from the driver, who (no doubt) thinks you are trying to pinch his firewood. After knocking all the skin off your knuckles cleaning the clinkers out, you light up and having seen your fire strong you set out for your breakfast. Talk about the song “back to the office I went” well, it’s not in it, I walk a mile to work, then a mile back for my breakfast, and a mile back to work again - well, it prevents indigestion. What a grand thing army life is! After breakfast is a performance that cannot be passed over in a few words - ah no! To get your breakfast you have to pass the cook house, and whilst doing so your nose is assailed by the beautiful odour of fried bacon - hurrah! You make a dash for the mess room where you find you can have your choice of jelly or ham, but the bacon -well the smell is your share; that is for the NCO’s, you have a slice of bread and jam and register a solemn oath that the next time you join the army again it will be as a sergeant or not at all! After breakfast you go back to your engine, oil round, get your sheet, and sort of “get set” for the day. By this time bells are ringing and horns are blowing as this or that impatient individual lets his neighbours know that he is ready and anxious to get to work. Now, if you are also ready you dash out of the yard “a la Donaldson” and nearly hit a corporal or two in your endevours to show How eager you are to get to work! If, on the other hand, she has steamed badly and you are in danger of being last (and so get a roasting from the Sargent) you shove her in slow gear and crawl out of the park as my Scottish friend has it “on tippy toes for fear of wakening the lazy French folk” ! After arriving at your job, which may be one of a hundred you have a look around to see if your engine is intact, and, finding everything ok you make yourself as snug as you can in your bunker and practice French on any of the French people who happen to be around until you are loaded. Dinner time comes as a happy interval, when you can have your choice of bully slice, bully stew, or bully. After dinner you return to the job you have been on in the morning and continue until you are signed off which means you can return to the lurry park on rare occasions, by day five o’clock. You make a dash for home, planning enroute, what you will do in the extra hours that have fallen to your lot. But you must not build too lightly on this, for as you go careering through the gate of the park you will perhaps hear the corporal yelling at you “right round 30 and you wheel your engine round and wish fervently that the corporal finds nothing in his stocking next Christmas! You are now handed another sheet in perusal of which you find you have to take a load of rations for some troops preceding up the line. After missing your tea and nearly breaking your wagon up in some atrocious holes you wander home, wondering meanwhile will this d———— war ever finish!
  24. Good evening, I hope we find everyone well. Unfortunately work on the Foden has been non existent for the last month since where the Foden is currently kept has been on lockdown, however this has meant I can progress on work at home. I had a few excursions planned for 2020, with rallies in France, Guernsey, Devon, Cornwall and Dorset on the itinerary, however one by one all these events have been cancelled so we won’t be going far this year! However this does mean that the planned winter jobs can be brought forward. At the end of this season my 10 year boiler test is due, so I need to strip the wagon, I am going to remove the boiler from the chassis, as some bearings need attention, also the tubes need replacing (they were put in when the firebox was fitted 20 years ago, and they have done very well, however they will be replaced. Likewise I will change all studs, overhaul the fittings etc. If this is of interest then I will add photos as and when I get into the jobs. The other job I plan to do this year is to restore the cab. Unfortunately there is some rot and previously bit of steel plate have been fitted to keep the cab in shape, but I wish to replace the rotted bits and repair the rest, together with new canvas etc. I want to retain as much as possible of the original cab, so this could be an interesting “conservation” job. Keep well everyone! David
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