BOBC1940

Hi, Paul, thanks for the revised data. When you say the 2nd photo down from Nicks, which photo are you referring to ? I see either my kit box art, or the link I posted which I see is the same pic as Nicks. Have you any pics or data on the M Benz 340 WK ? I had assumed by now kits were made of most of Germanys vehicles, I guess not. There was a time I would have tackled a complete scratchbuild but now know the time involved, would nuke making a lot of the others I have stashed away which I want to make. BOBC

Ah, thanks, thats google for you, I pasted in your vehicle type and it showed this and I didnt give it a second glance as it looked similar. I dont think there is a kit of it at all having been looking for a while, . http://auto-zer.com/photo/mercedes-benz-320-wehrmacht/10/default.html BOBC

Excellent, many thanks for the ultra quick data, awesome, and a lifetimes worth of wondering over I was trying to find out needing to finish an order with a model shop and felt I wasnt to find an answer anytime soon, and plumped for an expensive kit, now I can try and get a kit of it and add that as well. I see Bronco models do an early version but its going to need major surgery, wheel hubs, length of bonnet, doors, too much I fear.must try and get a later version,shame as 1940 is somewhat early ! BOBC

Hi, I have never found out just which vehicle this is, does anyone know ? key features 2 same size doors left side, loks like also 2 on right, spare tyre both sides, foldaway roof canvas at rear. Long bonnet. twin headlights separate to front. Its in the often seen photo of an Me109E4 coded 1+l (yellow outline black) of 9 staffel JG26 at Caffiers in August 1940, with pennant on aerial post, https://alchetron.com/Gerhard-Schöpfel#gerhard-schpfel-7f080f03-e058-4f40-976b-17f720a314d-resize-750.gif part way down page is one example. Cheers BOBC

Hi Mac, I spent 6 months drawing up accurately the Albion AM463 3 boom refueller to restore a real chassis/cab/engine to this vehicle with new tank and refuelling parts. and its a work in progress, though the actual vehicle project, the owner changed his mind, I am seeing it through rather than waste all the work done so far, so I might have a few dimensions for you. Which ones do you need ? Hi Stuntman, have you got data on it or were you then to get hold of me 🙂as you know my project and you have supplied dims of that entry hatch and other things as your 900 gal shares some features. BOBC1940

Hi Bryan, ah yes I have these, absolutely fantastic shots, see every little detail. I was bowled over when IWM produced these. The pump house L frame detail has enabled me to recreate it exact in CAD, if only the owner of the AM463 had kept his agreement to return his last chassis to refueller status, its currently barren aft of the cab. My mission is to CAD model everything accurately, I dont do Mickey Mouse work ! Anyone wish to own an Albion AM463 350 gallon refueller looking like the above, with all sorts of shiny brass fittings, PM me ! Airshows would pay to have this with their aircraft, gets the cameras clicking. I found a company willing to do the tank for about £370, the rest of it is pretty easy, especially for anyone into welding. BOBC

Hi Simon, see the PM sent, 3D scanning of the Albion AM463 of which there are 6 there , of their specific listed fittings which I can send images of , would be extremely welcome. These pumps you wont get to, sited in the rear compartment silt like concrete denies access, however other structures are accessible. I have measured and photo'd such pumps that also exist in a similar manner though with two gauges and taps so shape as such is 'obtained' for the pump, though I wish I owned a scanner, save hundreds of hours of work ! The Brockhouse 450 gallon refueller used them but mirror image to the way they were featured in the Albion AM463. BOBC

Maybe the RAF decided to use them as well, rather than 're-invent the wheel' ....oh dear couldnt resist that one 🤣 Early accumulator trolleys had solid hubs and a 'dog kennel' shape to the wooden box, then they went more squat shape, flat top with wide chamfered corners/sides and these 12 port wheels appeared. BOBC

Hi Butcher, I think you are referring to Fordson39's accumulator trolley towed behind the Fordson in the photo, as his bomb trolley with its green hub has 6 studs, counting the lightening holes I count 12 on the accumulator trolley and 12 on the yellow hub. Need a larger pic of the accumulator trolley to see the stud count. what are those three (one missing) pointed spiggots on the yellow rim ? BOBC

Hi, If anyone sees one of these pumps for sale as a mirror image of the one seen here please PM me, I might not see a new thread, as its the type needed to recreate the worlds last surviving Albion AM463 350 gallon 3 boom refueller. Also let Stuntman know and he can email me privately. I havent given up on that Albion AM463 3 boom iconic BoB fighter station refueller project and it could come to life if we had such a pump, lack of saw the owner decide on a new course of action, a paraffin delivery service vehicle having found a little hand pump, he likes things that actually work. If anyone knows of the destination of the grey one that seemingly was destined for meltdown that Stuntman didnt buy please post here as it must be preserved, its the same design as in all the Battle of Britain pics I have , such as this lovely shot which will enlarge up superbly:- https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205208469 and even with a crack needs saving. No one is going to pump petrol at a display with it anyway. BOBC

Hi, I see I never replied to this reply, simply because we made contact another way. Excellent news to see a Bellamy 900 being given the care and attention it deserves, having seen how the restoration of this has progressed since this pic was posted. However its a shame no one else of 1918 views appears to have towed bowsers such as I pictured or even the equipment from them. Looks like they either missed seeing this post or dont visit HMVF. It is so important these historic iconic vehicles without which the RAF wouldnt have flown, are preserved , after staring at the same museum exhibits for the umpteenth time in museums, such make a long awaited and refreshing change to our view of WW2 and celebrate the role of the groundcrew, whom the pilots thought the world of, but museums cast aside when it comes to equipment used. Before what little that remains is lost to the scrapman or nature, we all need to do what we can to save such. Even if a reader of this spots a piece of equipment let us all know of it. BOBC

Hi, Hope you can get hold of me via your PM I sent. Great to see this coming along., if only more had cared for Bomb Trolleys over the years, and not blinkered on aircraft. I can't ID this as the Type C Mk 1 had no trough type cross members and it had tubular front and rear members with the two discs for attaching the trunking for the small hoist. The trough type cross members are Type C Mk ll and Mk lll, the Mk ll also having tubular cross members but solid arms out to axles, I wonder if there is a Type C Mk ll late version then ? have you or anyone got photos of this trolley with its 'crossbreed' spec in action ? BOBC

Hi, Are you still on this lengthy mission, I can help with Albion AM463 variants, bomb trolleys, and a few other items on your massive list. PM me and I can start sending images and data over to you. BOBC

What is an A type trolley, they started with Type B, that with the central T beam . Bomb colour might be same as used on the disc on lanc head armour ? My RAF colour chip chart only has aircraft colours. I know someone with a WW2 colour chip set in original box and will ask them. BOBC1940

all colour photos on internet show early trolleys in raf blue grey about same as uniforms, e.g. waaf on tractor, later on olive green got used. I am seeing trolleys Type B and C mk 1 in the darkish blue grey like the uniforms, then a darkish green in colour photos on later models. BOBC

Hi Mark, how are you managing with the restoration, only just found this thread. any pics of its progress welcome. are you still lacking vital data, I might have some photos if I dig deep. I have now sent you a PM as I aim to help you all ways possible. You have the only Type C Mk l that I am aware of and we must all do what we can to assist. The channel cross members though are not the W supports that sat atop the side frames in the U brackets that made the C type Mk1 distinctive along with its front and back leaf spring pairs, tubular cross members and adjustable orientation (fwd or up) elephant trunk-like (though very short ones !) devices for mounting small hoists. BOBC

correct and yes hyper rare, and correct again. ( Brockhouse 450 gallon ) now posted to. BOBC

Is this still surviving, suggest ring a few aviation museums as such are very useful for transporting items . Try also SpitfireSpares maybe. War in the Vale place at Evesham, Wings museum, etc, James at the Sawmills at Clevedon, BOBC

Hi, Anyone know of location of this Zwicky pump or parts in need of a good home ? Note the configuration, the filter/ hopper thing at right. Also interested to know of one of these where its a mirror image and one gauge. Please just PM me if so. BOBC

Hi, as per subject. Driven and towed refuellers, I wish to establish contact with like minded and interested folk, share data and finds and create a network, also one very unique and nationally important project also to be discussed and saved, maybe a combined effort ? PM me please. BOBC

Hi, First pic posted shows best shot of vehicle, thats human nature !, last pic shows a view not wanted as the thumbnail for the advert, but alas the system chooses that one ! Yet no way afterwards of altering which image the thumb is using, or is there ? Even deleting the image its chosen still sees that image surviving ! Most folk post the best descriptive shots first, then some minor detail later, so if thumb takes the last image, they dont get the 'eye catching effect' and visual they were after. Thumb should be directed to first image. BOBC

As this is restored to fully driveable as a chassis, it needs to be made the most of and seen at shows, RAF mus would never run it again, and with the breakdown of the Battle of Britain Museum ( :mad::mad:) its appropriate placement is lost. Tanker part the next phase to recreate, probably not within their originality remit. BOBC

Albion AM463 350 gallon prewar and WW2 refueller for Harts, Hinds, Gladiators, Spitfires, Hurris, Defiants, Battles, Lysanders, Blenheims etc., Battle of France, Battle of Britain and Malta. Currently an extinct type. Deadline for saving this vehicle as this…July 21 2016. Anyone interested in the following project for sale to PM me please with contact details, email and tel number, I can then send a project pack with photo set and explain more fully about this one off unique project. Project for sale. Its fate otherwise is to have a farmers tank fitted as a fictitious postwar liquid dispenser.:cry::shocked: The only chance the nation will ever see the 350 gallon refueller ever again hangs in the balance. Please let anyone you feel might be interested know of this. It was finished in Aircraft camo green and brown, has brass fittings , white hoses and pump compartment, green Zwicky pump and brass fittings inside. Total Wow factor :wow: at shows especially placed with an aircraft, eye candy ! Currently chassis with cab engine bonnet etc restored and fully working. Driveable 60mph tops. All the CAD work for the fittings is done or in progress, without which this simply couldn’t happen. Show organisers will pay for this, so it appears from calls made, film and TV companies will want it, public will love it. Airfix's new model sold out in a few months as some indication of interest just from modellers ! See such in action at 5:00 in :- Your country and Albion needs you ! BOBC

Hi, Could anyone with WW2 Brockhouse / Zwicky pump/ Lister Diesel engine/ 450 gallon towed trailer bowsers RAF , or the Bellamy 900 gallon RAF bowser WW2 please PM me, and also post images here on what you have., or have seen languishing in a field etc. Even if its just the Zwicky pump, I must find someone with a pump for research work or sale. Cheers BOBC

Any further news at all on this Bowser ? I hope it didnt get scrapped. Where is it, details of seller etc ? I desperately seek any owners restorers of these bowsers, or the Bellamy (eliptical tank with Zwicky pump and Lister Diesel engine in box compartment at rear end.) ESPECIALLY WITH THE ZWICKY PUMP. Please PM me. Howard here on HMVF in this thread had a nice looking pump in a Brockhouse twin doored refueller, pics page 1, but sold it and doesnt know who to.:cry: BOBC