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  1. Thank you Richard thats it exactly, the Light Stone is a recent layer and on top of the badge. The body on this truck is not original, its been replaced at some point in the last 20 years. paint layers on the body appear to go Grey primer, DBG, DBG, NATO Green (or similar) then red primer, Light stone nato green. The last 3 layers have beeen put on in civilian ownership I'm fairly sure. The Chasis cab goes Grey primer, DBG, Light Stone, DBG and posibbly Nato green with the same three top layer as the body.



    Then you will be justified in 'doing over' the K9 into whatever colour scheme and markings you wish .... Light Stone, Libya-based would be nice! Plenty of photos to follow!:cool2:

  2. Ive been doing a bit of "paint archeology" on the rear body of the K9 and have come up with this


    Its the good old Lion on a crown as found on the BA flag, but without the crossed swords and on a red over blue horizontally divided background. I know the Lion on a red over blue back ground was UK land forces during WW2 but cant find anything post war. Anyone got any ideas?

    Working through that badge revealed what appears to be a plain dark blue smaller rectangle or square but without any discenable markings on it, you can just see the bottom of it below the lions front paw, I shall have another go at it later in the week but unfortanately the dark blue has not keyed to the DBG underneath so is tending to flake off rather than sand back.


    I await you suggestions, (please endeavor to keep them clean and on topic :-D)





    HQ Egypt & Mediterranean Command.

    Up to mid-50s.

    The Light Stone did it for me!!!:-)

  3. 07BE16 said:
    I believe the last vehicle in the line is a Carrier, AOP No.4(FV402), the AOP version of the Cambridge carrier. Thanks for the posts my farther in law is very interested as he was with J battery 3RHA in Germany then Eygpt and then Libya.


    I am so impressed! Spot on! Yes, 3RHA had at least one of these vehicles on strength for a while. They were trials vehicles, pre-cursors of the FV432 series. Perhaps only 12 pre-production models were made for evaluation. It never made full production. I wonder where the other vehicles were trialled?

    I have this photo of the Cambridge AOP in my collection and I'm not sure of its origin. Perhaps IWM? Credit to them if due.


  4. Really glad you like the photos, dear viewers.


    I could list all Tripolitania barrack names and units 1951 and 1966 though I'm not going to here as I simply cannot pinpoint with conviction and accuracy the locations of those barracks, most certainly not the Tripoli ones as named in The Treaty of Friendship 1953 (freely avail on the web). I can certainly pinpoint all the former Italian/Axis barracks in Tripoli/Tagiura (Tagiura = Italian camps at km 20 and 27 named by the British post-war as ‘Kassala Barracks and land’, which I can also see now on Google Satellite and on my £300.00 Italian Military Institute map of Tripoli dated 1938 showing barracks (no names though) all over the place. I have a British/US map of Tripoli dated 1943, updated 1962 that shows barracks but doesn't name them! There are different versions of the US/UK map which show either errors or omissions in barrack locations and outlines.

    Prior to 1951, its minefield with no marked mines trying to find information, especially as the British occupied many more barracks and buildings than The Treaty refers to. Official archive records are scarce and those that may exist are very difficult to pinpoint within archive folders and files, which is certainly the case with The National Archive with whom I've spent over £1500 on remote research in return for next to nothing! I must though, recount this, that in researching the activities of the RAOC Tripoli in order to gain clues about barrack locations etc., I received an unwanted 126 page report from The National Archive that revealed, amonst other less than useful information, how many pairs of boots were repaired by DADOS (Deputy Assistant Director of Ordnance Services), 1945 Tripoli! I don't have a belly but that revelation, despite the expense of purchasing the record, made me belly laugh 'till it hurt. ‘Where’ those repairs took place, I’ve no idea though it was ‘somewhere’ in Tripoli.


    For those not in the know, the British named most Italian barracks in Tripoli and Tagiura occupied by themselves after battle victories against Italian occupied Africa. Thus, we have, as named in The Treaty,

    Kassala barracks

    Keren barracks

    Medenine barracks (Yes, I know Medenine is a city in Tunisia but it really was a barrack name, really, in Tripoli)

    Mareth barracks (suspect it was old cavalry barracks, RAOC there early on with BFPS – BFPS moved to Miani Barracks, RAOC to Kassala barracks, all I see on mine and Google maps)


    Azyzzia barracks

    Gurgi barracks

    Gialo barracks and Annexe (Jalu in Arabic as it shows up on Google maps)


    Then we have:

    BMH Tripoli, renamed from Caneva Ospedale at km1 from Porta Benito (Caneva was an Italian General)

    Miani barracks, name unchanged from Italian (a 1920s General) and is in Arabic, Miyami

    Prinn barracks is the British way of interpreting ‘Birin’ (adopted in Arabic) who was an Italian senior diplomat and the name of a capital ship


    Then we have barrack names such as Marine, White, Imperial and so on.


    If you Google the Arabic for say Gialo barracks, which is Mu`askar Jalu, you’ll see ‘roughly where it was in Tripoli.

    Try again for Medenine barracks, which is Mu`askar Madanīyah, you’ll see roughly where it was.

    Try Prinn barracks, which is Mu`askar Bīrīn, you’ll see roughly where it was.

    Try Miani barracks, which is Mu`askar Miyāmī, you’ll see roughly where it was.


    Though not precise, those Google indications roughly equate to the barrack locations on my maps. I just need verifiable confirmation, that which eludes me and archive holders. Otherwise, take it all with a pinch of salt!


    Sometimes, references are given to a kilometre point from Tripoli, a case in point being Kassala at km20. These km points are not measured from the centre of old Tripoli, but from the gates (Porta) on the outer defended wall (1st ring road now) through which all main roads went. Thus the zero point for km20 was at Porta Taguira. The 5km point on the road to Ain Zara was measured from Porta (I’ve forgotten!) but you ended up at Miani Barracks. Thus 5kms from Porta Benito saw you at Medenine barracks!

    Another word for barracks is ‘Hamiyet’. Italians used the word ‘Caserma’, very similar to the German ‘Kaserne’ though I’ve no German maps of Tripoli and surrounds. All areas outside that defended wall were still desert or farmed lands with ‘real’ oases everywhere. Post 1960, it started to be built upon (oil had been discovered in 1959) and soon the city expanded dramatically. Pouring over maps is fun, especially when you find ‘something’ and ‘the penny drops’. All thrilling stuff, you’ll agree, no doubt!!!!!!


    My quest for Tripolitania info goes on; I have a book to write. I'll either have to hire a researcher, go thereto archive holders myself or find a willing unpaid volunteer who lives 'nearby' to go and dig out the information sought. I cannot rely on people's memory either, as either they really can't remember or they provide big bright red herrings that I can tell, are just that. A classic case in point are some lovely gentlemen I know who served in Tripoli but cannot remember the name of the barracks or where it was in relation to others or notable focal points etc.

    I have learned from records though, that counter to the ‘dodgy’ memories of some, the REME workshop (61 Station WKSP and previously known as 5 Medium WKSP) was at GURGI Barracks (even during 2RTR's time out there) yet I still don't know where those barracks were or if they were close or attached to another!

    Anyway, if only regiments had fulfilled their duties in completing their quarterly Unit History reports to then deposit them in the appropriate regimental/national archives then my research would be that much easier. Its not just the photos that I need, its the history that allows me to write with authority and conviction lest I produce something not quite what I'd intended it to be.

    From official records, I can say that at the height of our military presence in Libya, there were around 10,000 personnel just after withdrawal from Palestine, 1949. That number depleted as Libya units went to quell the locals in Egypt/Jordan, then rose again to around that number upon withdrawal from Egypt (Canal Zone) and then, dropped massively by around 8,000 just after Suez. So just around 2,000 personnel post 1956/7 as units returned to the UK or went to Cyprus, Jordan, Aden, Kenya etc. There was no real political will, military strategy or finance available to maintain forces in Libya, other than in the end, the staging post of El Adem and port facilities at Tobruk.

    I tend to just have a passing interest in what happened with British Forces in Cyrenaica, other than with of course, the superb 2nd Royal Tank Regiment.

  5. Ooh a "German" Humber 1 Ton CT now that would be nice to see or even any non-Germanised ones please.


    Ha ha! Ok, but you can see a myriad of vehicles youself by watching the whole No Time to Die/Tank Force video free here:



    Marks out of ten if you can identify all vehicles and who is using what! Great fun. :-)


    Sand-coloured photos of Humber CTs are not that common. I will dig, though there are some on another forum that you should look at:


  6. Still with Sextons and 3RHA who were part of 25 Armd Brigade and then, 10 Armd Division and then ..... went off somewhere else which wasn't sandy .... oh, that'll be Bulford where I believe they switched to either towed 25pdrs or 5.5" guns .... DBG.

    From Max Warwick REME who was attached to 3RHA in Homs and Egypt (pre-Suez) as their armourer Sgt, we have this photo of the parade square in Homs camp. I'll help you with the line-up; I can see Cromwell AOPs and Command Posts (don't know the marques though other photos may help with identification), Sexton SPGs and GPOs and, a very strange-looking last vehicle. Hmmm, I know what it is, but do you?

    No copying rules apply.


  7. A Sexton GPO? Yes, nothing to do with the posties of yore but here's a lovely sand-coloured one that belonged to 3RHA and it's sitting on the back of a Diamond T rig. Notice the additional 'local' storage framework and, no big gun. Its the second photo, of course!

    As usual, please, no copying of any of the photos I post, lest I lose the goodwill (and you and I even more?) of their donors. Photos by Dudley Carter 3RHA.



  8. Things are 'heating up' on the Libya thread, no pun intended though I wonder if Libya has snow this week as many Arabic parts are having? No, by heating up I mean to say 'look', Magnakater and Kuno are are now contributing (photos please, 'little ones for here and LARGE ones to me by email or disc); isn't this wonderful, and, AndyB has got back to me with more, yes, more photos of Tripolitania sand-coloured things and the married quarters (Libyan Lodges) in Prinn Barracks, Tripoli in the snail mail to me!!!!:-)

  9. Magnakater said:
    Kuno said:



    The White half track with German markings is almost certainly a hangover from either Ice Cold in Alex or No Time to Die.

    Both these films were made "back to back" during 1957 by Warwick Films. Ice Cold starred John Mills while No Time starred Victor Mature, Antony Newly, Leo Genn and Bonar Coleano. I have photographs of Queen's Bays Centurions in Afrika Korps livery for No Time to Die. I was temporarily attached to the Bays to supplement their LAD during the making of the latter film.

    Cheers, Tony B 56:10


    Now then, there were FOUR, yes, four, not two, 'Great' war films made in Tripolitania during 1957/8 with huge contributions from British Army units based in Tripolitania, in particular 38 Company and 1 Tank Transporter Company RASC, Queen’s Bays and to a lessor extent, by 22 Engineer Regiment RE (who kept and operated their Halftracks in DAK markings for 18 months, just in case ....), 3RHA, 6RTR and (as suggested by ‘weak’ evidence) 5 Medium Wksp REME.


    ‘Sea of Sand’ aka ‘Desert Patrol’ (US)

    ‘Bitter Victory’

    ‘No Time to Die’ aka ‘Tank Force’ (US)

    ‘Ice Cold in Alex’ aka ‘Desert Attack’ (US)


    There may have been others.


    3RHA in Homs also hosted cast members (Sophia Loren, John Wayne etc.) from the 1957 film ‘Legend of the Lost’, though whether or not any military vehicles were involved, I know not and as I have not seen the film. The set was Leptis Magna, Homs, my childhood ‘stamping grounds’.


    The DAK Sexton photo is from the defunct Illustrated London News (via Les Freathy) and shows the Sexton on the Diamond T navigating the Garian Pass, south of Tripoil on the way to or from Medenine Barracks, Tripoli and the Ice Cold in Alex film set. From the RASC Journals of the period, that Diamond T belonged to 1 Tank Transporter Company RASC, was driven by Dvr Smith..... and was the first occasion a Diamond T (laden or unladen?) had traversed the mountain pass. The 5km journey over the pass took 3 hours. The Sexton may have been a standard Sexton or a Sexton GPO (Gun Position Officer - a Sexton not fitted with a 25pdr) from 3RHA or supplied from an ordnance depot and converted to show it with a ‘fake’ gun and mantlet.


    For the film ‘No Time to Die’ (Tank Force), 1 Tank Transporter Company RASC used 16 DTs to transport the Queen’s Bays Centurion tanks to and from the film set and Sabratha Barracks, though the DTs were not seen in the film. My source again, is the RASC Journal of the period. Hilarious goofs throughout the film with Operation Musketeer invasion markings (H) that I saw on the Bedford QLs (though I wasn’t looking closely they may have been Austin K5s) and even the ‘Bays squadron markings on vehicles, a German picking up and firing a MG (sound effects heard) though it didn’t have a magazine or belt ammunition feed fitted, and that ‘German’ Humber 1 tonne CT ...... The Best of British film making of those times!


  10. Lizzie, you'll know this already, but if you're scanning this stuff do it as high quality and large as possible, subject to going OTT, even if it takes longer. You won't want or possibly be able to go back and do it again, so it's one of those do it once and do it right things.


    Oh - and post them here every time.


    I shall heed your advice Sean though I'm not sure about posting them all here! :-D I have to save some treasure for 'the book'! :-D


    With the circular white background to the cross, it might just have been used in an ambulance role.


    I believe this is so Richard. British. A Red Cross, too. No fake DAK camouflarge or DAK palm tree insignia. Libya-based 'Lorried' Infanty battalions in the 50s were not 'lorried' at all as they were 'Halftracked'!!! Their ambulances tended to be Halftracks too. All Halftracks seemed to have been M5s, M9s and converted M14s. International. Furthermore, most sure that the ambulance Halftrack is not a 'White' (see mudguard profile) so therfore, an International.

  12. :-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D Love the thread but sadly nothing to add .:-D


    :-) I love the thread too, just havn't got the time available that I'd like to spend on it (including scanning and intelligently filing over 600 photos now in, of sand-coloured stuff) :-) I've got a book to write, didn't you know? :-D

    Keep on following Andy, and all other folk too. If you know of anyone 'who was there', a veteran, a relative or someone's parents or grandparents then please do send them my way via the forum. Let's capture the history!

  13. Going for it again, abridged from memory. The original was posted (somewhere!) before Clive joined the 2RTR forum.


    LOOK! :-D It's THAT Scammell Explorer again! No, not 94BD17 though we'll see lots more of it. Its 94BD27 again, Yay! Remember, AndyB posted a couple of superb photos of 94BD27 earlier in this thread and now, from an ex-Cyclops 2RTR Para Armoured Sqn man who jumped with Hornets (he was not a Penguin), we have this photo. That man is Robbie Monk 2RTR who has in fact, handed over his entire original Libya photo/slide collection to me to use as I wish (even, as he said, without a photo credit in his name - which I cannot omit as I want to honour him and deservedly so) and we'll see more of his collection later.

    You'll also see that tatty DBG 'thing' which is an upside-down Hornet/Malkara vehicle requiring recovery to at least, an upright position. To facilitate a 'managed' recovery, the Leyland Recovery vehicle you see had to be called in from Tripoli some perhaps 80 miles distant and despite the Scammell being at the 'incident' site already, there was quite a wait for the Leyland to appear to effect the uprighting of the Hornet.

    Photo taken by Robbie Monk 2RTR in July 1964.


  14. [ATTACH=CONFIG]122956[/ATTACH]


    I thought I should reply on headed note paper!


    I have joined that forum but not posted yet. The link you posted was along lines I have heard many times before. I can remember being told how there was disquiet after P Coy being required to wear, the generally most coveted, maroon beret. The view was that if a black beret was good enough for Monty, it was good enough for them to still wear!


    Yes the book. It was quiet a task to pull everything together, originally Col Mallam had contracted a professional military writer to collate everything & I was to meet with them to add some technical details. But the engagement of the professional writer never came to fruition & Col Mallam died, so Col Radford took up the challenge. In fact he visited me & scanned quite a few pictures for the book & I ended up writing the Hornet/Malkara chapter.


    But my bit was purely of the technical developments, mostly pre-dating Cyclops involvement & was an enhancement of articles I had done in Pegasus & Tank. Although I would have liked to have seen more Cyclops, there were 4.5 pages that included 8 photos but not a great amount I agree.


    An ambition is to write an article on the REME contribution to the Malkara project & submit it to the REME Journal (not The Craftsman) as I have a lot of archive material from Capt Peter Russell who was Cyclops EME. There are quite a few Cyclops men in the 2001 reunion photo at the back of the book, sadly many no longer with us. I am in that group photo which includes CGS in front of the Hornet. Most of us are pleased to get any praise about the turnout of a vehicle you have worked on but particularly from veterans but to get praise from CGS was very satisfying.



    I love the headed notepaper Clive!

    Now you're on 2RTR's forum, you must make your presence felt as many will be tickled pink to learn you've joined and, for those that don't know you or of you and your Cyclops Para involvement, you'll have found new friends with a great interest in you and your work.

    You must produce that article for the REME Journal or, a full-blown book to cover such a neglected aspect of Hornet/Malkara.

    Yesterday I posted something quite substantial here, along with a pretty colour picture of sand-coloured things (not dunes) and a tatty DBG 'thing' south of Tripoli on the ranges. Humph! Today, none of it is here! What happened, I hear you say? Well I don't know, that's for sure but maybe I didn't hit the 'publish' button or whatever its called? I'd not had sundowners or snifters and I'm not that much over 21 though I confess to occasional mind-drift. Now I'll have to try and remember what I wrote and 'go for it again'!

  15. I used to see Trevor at reunions of Para Sqn RAC when I used to take along the Hornet I restored. But he would usually be with the 2 RTR caravan at W&P then W&PR. But he tells me the branch are selling the caravan because it was only a few of them that made the effort to set it all up. I last saw him with the caravan at the last Detling.


    I might explore their forum then as I know a few of the Cyclops people & their role in bringing Malkara into service has never been properly acknowledged. Trevor gave me quite a few of his documents & photos, including one him with Cyrus Vance who was Secretary of Defense at the time.


    Incidentally Trevor's Humber 1 Ton FV1622 Test Truck was owned by a good friend of mine who died a few years ago. It is now undergoing restoration, I was always hoping it would turn up at WPR & get a picture of Trevor with it again.


    Clive, I think there is much discontent amongst the Cyclops Para community, discontent at the low level of recognition afforded them in the creation of the RAC Para Sqn, reflected in most acccounts but particularly so in Radford's book where I believe there may be just one photo of Cyclops. Donkey work at events always falls to the same few, and Cyclops at that. I don't think that the dedication stone at the Arboretum even acknowledges Cyclops and of course, there is resentment at the suggestion that Cyclops were perhaps not up to being the Para Armoured Sqn because of this that and the other, the other being arms plots for Cyclops to rejoin the regiment and to be posted to BAOR and so on.

    Yes, you must join the 2RTR Old Boys Forum to discover more. Scanning through the thread lists will keep you engaged I'm sure, especially anything to do with the Para Armoured sqn, but do consider the stuff may be in other threads such as:


    I have a few photos of Hornets/Malkara/ Humbers which you probably haven't seen before of Hornet/Humbers in the Tripolitania desert 1964, thanks to 2RTR's Robbie Monk who became 'one who jumped' around Hornets. I actually now have been gifted his entire Libya photo/slide collection and we shall see some on here.

    You do realise I'm intending writing 'the book' based loosly on this thread title so perhaps we can see some of your Libyan desert Hornet photos soon? ;)

    I think Trevor would be pleased as Punch to see his Test Truck again, though I suspect even more pleased to see his old Centurion tank from Munster 1950s or his old Saladin from Homs!:-D I have their VRNs and regimental names though I've not searched anywhere for them. I hope his Saladin didn't get flogged to the Arabs after the 14/20H finished with it in Medenine (as the last armoured unit in Tripolitania Oct 1962-64)?:(

  16. As an aside I was in touch with Trevor a few weeks ago. He has decided to sell his Rover 8 he restored in Cyclops markings, but I think the buyer is still in the Kent area. I've got quite a few of Trevor's pictures but they relate his role with Malkara as Missile Test Troop Sgt.


    What a small world! Trevor is a lovely man, a true gentleman who continues to inspire, especially on the 2RTR Old Boys Forum (where I post as TankGirl and I'm currently posting, drip-feeding for him his Swinton Barracks, Munster 1955-59 'tank park' photos that I've scanned for him... yes, he sends me his photos for scanning and saving to disc etc.). Through his generosity, I now own his personal copy of 'Seconds Out! - A History of The 2nd Royal Tank Regiment' (rarer than rocking horse poo), plus his illustrated report of Ex Crescent Moon down and back to the Tummo water hole (my Dad and the TQMS driving the RL Binner), Chad border to test the 'new' Saladins, and, so many photos of my Dad in the WO & Sgts messes in Munster and Homs. Ab Fab!

    You should ask to join the forum; I've got other 'Tripolitania followers or photo donors to join, so that you too can see some of the magnificent photos, facts and anecdotes.

  17. armouredfarmer said:
    I'm certainly watching this thread with interest, I have a K9 which was delivered in DBG but then had a very thorough re-paint in Light Stone. As the B card is amongst the lost batch I have little history for her, I'm hoping she might turn up lurking in the background somewhere.


    So glad you're watching. More K9s appearing soon. I am not sure whether or not ALL vehicles supplied new were in DBG and had their Light Stone applied afterwards, either by manufacturers, by ord depots or by local in-theatre issue units. Maybe some came out of the factory in Light Stone? I'm sure vehicles in Cyprus were all sorts of colour schemes, either from new or applied when in service, though most vehicles in Tripolitania througout the 50s and 60s were all Light Stone with 'who knows what' underneath.

    Take this example of a 'brand new' Saladin, on the tank park in Homs 1959. It had just been collected from the issuing unit(?) in Tripoli by Trevor Dady 2RTR and his crew, then photographed by him. I have many of his photos now and his full useage permission (he actually remembered my Pop, an ASM REME from 2RTR in Munster 1958, through to 1962 in Libya, though Trevor couldn't tell me from which barracks or unit he collected the Saladin from) which you can take to mean that we'll see more of his photos on here. The Saladin appears pristine with no hint of any underlying colour. Contrast this photo with the accident damaged Saladin 07BB88 earlier in this thread where it looks like DBG peeping through the Light Stone.


  18. Well, I think we are all waiting for you to post more!


    I suspect they are all playing silly b****rs for the Pioneer photo given the sign and the fact one of them seems to be inflating the tyre by the power of lungs alone!


    Two Mk2 Hippos in the background


    You are waiting for me? Ha Ha! Well, I'd better get on with it then!

    Yes, NS hi-jinks or something like that. I think the 'well toned' chap at the front is Frank. I think too that beer played a big part in relieving the boredom (or in being something associated with home and everthing they missed) of NS in Libya, probably elsewhere too, though to be fair, Tripolitania-based sevice personnel were very well catered for with swimming, beaches, pools, water sports, football, cricket, go-karting, cinemas, libraries, service entertainment shows, messes, 'trips' into the desert and so on. Oh, and 'obligatory' camel riding lessons. Those in Tripolitania wanting something more sophisticated could get involved with organised 'digs' at many of the Roman sites throughout the region or, for a laugh, 'volunteer' to dress up as DAK Germans or Arabs for the, at least 3 different desert war films in 1956/8.

    Tripoli units, particularly the REs and the RAOC Ordnance Field Park fielded, pardon the pun, very many Hippo 2s. I have a line-up of them on a photo awaiting a scan.

  19. Well, Magnakater sadly is playing doggo, not even answering PMs, and as no one else is playing (not even AndyB anymore), I thought I'd treat you to a drool over these two photos from Spr Frank Hallsworth, taken in Tripoli 1956-57. He was in an NS draft squad from the W.Midlands who were all posted to 22 Eng Regt Tripoli, most of whom seem to have entered into 6 Fd Pk Sqn of that regiment based at Prinn Barracks. The other squadrons were based in Gialo Barracks Tripoli, though 3 Sqn were on permanent detachment to Cyprus. Through my investigative persual, I tracked Frank down and with the kindness of one of his sons, Kevin, I now have all of his Dad's Tripoli photos and usage permissions. Sand-coloured stuff, great!


    Oh, look, its THAT Scammell Explorer, yes, 94BD17 that we've seen before on here. Isn't this exciting stuff as we see the machine in the hands of its first 'owner', new into service with Spr Frank Hallsworth! Yes, The RE 'owned and operated' Scammells, not just REME type bods. Apart from the affiliation with the W. Mids, you'll notice perhaps the affiliation to a regional beer (jerrycan full of it?) on his Explorer cab roof and the sign that lovingly displays the name of his wife, Jean. A Scammell Explorer named 'Jean'. Hats off to Frank and Jean! 6 Fd Pk Sqn also operated a Scammell Pioneer too, look, see! More to come of that sand-coloured Scammell Explorer soon.

    Can you see some Hippos? I can.

    Of course, I can see a white rhino too, thus indicating 25 Armd Bde and/or 10 Armd Div, depending on whether or not the photo was just prior to Operation Musketeer or just after. The Libya units of 10 Armd Div of course never deployed but did prepare and vehicles bore the 10 Armd Div white rhino on a black oval AND a white H on cab vehicle sides, roofs etc. Post Operation Musketeer, 10 Armd Div was disbanded by the end of 1957, the white rhino ceased to be seen as the 2 Districts of Tripolitania and Cyrenaica were formed ... and we all know what those district flashes on vehicles and uniforms were, don't we!



  20. I served with 19 Armd Wksps and also 5 Medium Wksps, later Station Wksps REME, between 1956--58. This location does not look familiar to me at all. I was also temporarily attached to the Queen's Bays during the making of the film "No Time to Die" with Victor Mature, Antony Newly et al[ATTACH=CONFIG]118243[/ATTACH]I know you're all as keen as Richard to see 'those' Libya vehicle photos that I wrote about, so lets start with this: (All photos belong to me unless otherwise indicated/accredited, and where this is the case, I have express written permission to show them. so please, no copying).


    The year is 1959/60 or summer 1961. The car photographed is parked up at a barracks in Tripoli, Tripoli it is as (I know it’s not Homs Barracks or D’Aosta Barracks, Benghazi) I can see the Tripolitania Dhow flash on the Bedford RL and on the Landrover (can you?). There’s also a Ferret Mk? and a couple of 1ton trailers (Brockhouse or Sankey – I can’t make out the panel x ribbing?). I’m guessing this was the Tripoli Station Workshop? I also know who the car belonged to (a 2RTR officer) and that it did end up in Tripoli Station Workshop. In which Tripoli barracks though, were the workshops located? The workshops were known in the early 50s as 1 Base Wksp, then 1st Infantry Wksp, then 5 Medium Wksp, then Station Wksp and finally, from 1960 to 1966 and withdrawal of British forces from Tripolitania by March 1966, as 61 Station Wksp though trying to find ‘official’ corroboration is not easy or as yet, complete. The question also is, were the workshops always in the same barracks? Don't be shy in coming forward as I don't know and can't find the answer anywhere, yet. Besides, the REME Museum don’t want to play as they’re busy reorganising their furniture and polishing exhibits having recently moved from Arborfield to Lyneham.


    An accredited critic once said of this car that it was the most ineffective bit of engineering since the Maginot Line. The metal was so thin and rickety that you could hear rusting taking place. Its most salient feature was its slowness, a rate of acceleration you could measure with a calendar, frequently losing in drag races with vintage farm equipment. The car was made world-wide and over 2 million of them were sold, thus proving how desperately people wanted cars. Any cars. The car is, of course the Renault Dauphine.



    Well, would you believe it? We have a new comment on this exciting and captivating thread! Yay! I'm so very happy and even happier that the commentator is 'someone who was there', there in Tripolitania as a serving REME ('Yay' again) soldier! Fantastic! Greetings Magnakater on this, I presume to be your first post and thank you for posting on this thread. You are going to have to post more and more, photos and facts and annecdotes galore, please.

    Now then, the location for that photo, based on a batch of new photos I've received since I posted that one, confirms .... wait for it, that the location was not anywhere in Tripoli though it was without doubt, Homs Camp, Tripolitania!

    The car, a red Dauphine, belonged to one Lt Rob Ockenden 2RTR (a similar white Dauphine was bought at the same time by another junior officer) and I am reliably informed that the two officers in the mornings would race each other down the road from the nearby Officers Mess in their Dauphines. The duty provost would hear them approaching and open the barrier allowing them to hurtle in to the barracks and across the square to the Cyclops squadron office block, sounding their car horns and screech to a halt by the office steps. One morning the usual happened, but Lt Ockenden's brakes failed and his car hit the office steps causing considerable damage to his car, much to the amusement of the squadron who were lined up ready to be marched on to the square for first parade.


    See, history is a mystery, even if was written down in the first instance! For me, history always generates more questions than I'll ever get answers to!


    Exciting developments! I now have in my non-sticky mitts another 300 photos and slides of 2RTR Homs (some Benghazi) awaiting scanning on my new gizzmo (when I've learned how to use it properly; the old one went up in a puff of smoke!!). In amongst the cache of treasure were lots of photos of Homs barracks and 'sand-coloured stuff' in it, including shots of the bottom south-east corner of the barracks (REME had the bottom 1/4 of the barracks) which show that the wrecked car is without doubt, parked up in Homs barracks, REME area and therefore, not 'somewhere' in Tripoli. Yay! The new photos of Homs and other parts of Tripolitania, once scanned will appear here for your perusal and enjoyment. Prior to then, I expect soon to put some other sand-coloured stuff here, especially Scammell Explorers and in particular, the story of 94BD17 :-) in photos whilst in Tripolitania.

  21. Yes, unfair to me and to any other ‘punter’ who has to gamble on incorrectly advertised goods. The card was not found for me, it was there already, it had already been scanned, it was advertised as a record, it could not be previewed, I presumed it was a complete record as the museum did not say otherwise, I completed an instant payment, it was there as an instant download and was not what I paid for! Simple.

    Would you be happy buying something you hadn’t seen, to discover it was a complete dud?

    I shall not comment further on this topic/thread except to say again, “Buyer Beware’! :shocked:


    The museum do an excellent line in Corps Journals (though they are low-grade scans with any images almost totally indiscernible) which are semi-pre-viewable based on a key word delivering a scrambled one-liner. Not really a preview at all. I subscribe to this service and despite the failings, find the information provided very useful for my research. May honesty and openness prevail. :-)

  22. Buyer beware! I did this with the intention of gifting the card to the vehicle's first ever driver in service and guess what? The record card was blank for the first 12 years of service history! As much use as a chocolate camel in a Libyan desert! I agitated, 'goods not fit for purpose' and eventually received a refund in full (£30).

    The vehicle concerned, if you've not guessed in following my Libya thread in Research area, is the Scammell Explorer 94BD17.

    You will be seeing more of this magnificent vehicle in desert sand colours soon; sand-coloured Hippos too and and .... RL Binners galore and even more of K9s and another Scammell Explorer that we've seen before on here, 94BD27!

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