uw167 Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 Wynns ran a wide range of ex. military vehicles. Although the Pacifics and Diamond Ts get the publicity, there were many other types. First off is FDW 752, one of the Thornycroft Amazon / Coles cranes. The casualty was a Mammoth Major from Newport. Also in attendance is a Scammell low loader, a WLF and a Matador. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 Is it Wynn who is reputed to have bought Diamond T's after seeing the skid marks they left on the road? There was a BBC radio programme about the company some years back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 Is it Wynn who is reputed to have bought Diamond T's after seeing the skid marks they left on the road? There was a BBC radio programme about the company some years back. Some of the things attempted by Wynns with Diamond T#s would probaly account for skid marks in other places too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uw167 Posted July 8, 2009 Author Share Posted July 8, 2009 This load with Diamond T NDW 232 in the lead is passing through the centre of Newport. I asked Percy Wynn why they went through the middle. "It was the only road" There was no by-pass, one bridge over the River Usk suitable and only the main street was direct and wide enough. The cab is the original - always looked the best design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 The cab is the original - always looked the best design. Totally agree there, the in-house Wynn's cab was functional but added nothing to the look of the vehicle. That said I have rarely seen a re-cabbed T which looks anything like as nice as the original. Okay, they are stupidly small but fitting a larger cab does upset the proportions. However, they were working vehicles so functionality came first. Cheers, A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 That and the fact that the proper cabs had rusted away....Or where some of the Wynns fitted cabs to replace Rag-Tops? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 That and the fact that the proper cabs had rusted away....Or where some of the Wynns fitted cabs to replace Rag-Tops? That they did. I have also seen a few pictures of a very bent cab after what appers to be a roll-over! I do not however recall seeing any soft top cabs - interesting comment Mike, I will have to check up on that one. Cheers, A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
contractorman Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 When Wynns operated there Ts cabs were still available They also had quite a number Of Ts that were purchased for spares only ..but needed to have room for 3 personnel ..Pickfords option was the canvas cabin on the side .. Nash.Morgan from the forest of dean built all except for the last 3 Ts ,,they were built in house designed by Stan Anderson and these became known as the Anderson cab of which one survives into presevation..3630.DW..now owned by Dave Weedon of York Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.O.S. Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 A caption to one of the Wynns-cabbed DT photos in Bob Tuck's book "Moving Mountains" states - 'With rust and old age striking hard on the cabs of Wynn's Diamond Ts, the fleet took on a new look as they were replaced with a bigger unit...." Photo dated 1959. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
croc Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 When Wynns operated there Ts cabs were still available They also had quite a number Of Ts that were purchased for spares only ..but needed to have room for 3 personnel ..Pickfords option was the canvas cabin on the side .. Nash.Morgan from the forest of dean built all except for the last 3 Ts ,,they were built in house designed by Stan Anderson and these became known as the Anderson cab of which one survives into presevation..3630.DW..now owned by Dave Weedon of York see post #322 here http://www.hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?t=7379&page=33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 When Wynns operated there Ts cabs were still available They also had quite a number Of Ts that were purchased for spares only ..but needed to have room for 3 personnel ..Pickfords option was the canvas cabin on the side .. Nash.Morgan from the forest of dean built all except for the last 3 Ts ,,they were built in house designed by Stan Anderson and these became known as the Anderson cab of which one survives into presevation..3630.DW..now owned by Dave Weedon of York I thought the Pickfords canvas cab was more to do with putting somewhere where they could actually see down the side of the DT to see how near the trailer was to obstructions on that side, rather than an increase in crew capacity. This being needed because with the standard cab the mate was so near to the centre of the vehicle, he couldn't see anything that would enable him to give helpful guidance to the driver,,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
contractorman Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Then like today the crew dont get to ride on any vehicles your on your feet when moving wide /long loads ..Crews in the days of the Ts would be driver.. mate and a steersman ..Same amout today on flat top work only on the girder sets does the figure go up to 6 plus van /escort driver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les freathy Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 I cherish these two photos of Wynns in the main because its my local power station and around the time of this move i was serving a Chippie apprentiship with the main contractor of Dungeness A station Robert McAlpine. Funny thing is i dont recall any heavy loads arriving but remember seeing some trying to get round the roundabout in Lydd on to Dungeness road, i really must make contact with the local newspapers and trawl the archives this sort of activity in my area at the time would have been big news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uw167 Posted July 11, 2009 Author Share Posted July 11, 2009 Always an interesting yard to visit. This visit showed Matador WDW542K - still working for a living - and PDW321, the Diamond T wrecker. Bowen's tipper was a recovery casulty. I always noted these because they often became part of Wynn's fleet. Don't recall the bus on the right though! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uw167 Posted July 12, 2009 Author Share Posted July 12, 2009 Yard Shunter 108 was ex Royal Navy. For saw service with Wynns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uw167 Posted July 12, 2009 Author Share Posted July 12, 2009 One of eight Foden GS flatbeds used by Wynns. 177/EDW602 was registered in April 1948. Two of them went off to BRS on the first nationalisation and four more went with the second. The crane is a Lorain bought in August 1958.[268/PDW504]. It later moved to sister company Wynn Engineering. I should saw registered not bought. The company always had military units in the yard either for spares or sometimes to register and use when needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uw167 Posted July 13, 2009 Author Share Posted July 13, 2009 Seen in the same yard as the photo above. Going by the tidy state of the yard, I think this is likely to be one of the last three of the seven Pacifics with registrations. There were a couple of armoured chassis in the [then] second yard. I assume these were used as a base for the later builds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 Here a picture of a Diamond T hard at work for Wynns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les freathy Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 UW i have a lot of stuff on Wynns but you seem to finding items i have not seen, very interested to see the ex military Foden DG6/12 trucks it is one i know of but that is the first picture i have seen of one got any more. When i am next in conversation with John Wynn i will try to jog his memory to find out what bodies were on them when they purchasd them, i would imagine they came via a military auction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uw167 Posted July 16, 2009 Author Share Posted July 16, 2009 Les They were all DG/10s with single rears and hoop/sheets bodies. They would have all come from an auction but I have no records of these being sold anywhere at that time. Judging by the chassis numbers they were most likely all bought at the same time. I only have details of them running as flats with Wynns or BRS. Details are:- 176 EDW601 4/48 177 EDW602 4/48 65 FDW60 11/48 Ch 24148 New 4-7/45 To Pearse Haulage BRS 1G29 66 FDW61 11/48 Ch 24404 New 12/45 To Pearse Haulage BRS 1G30 181 FDW181 1/49 Ch 24146 New 4-7/45 To BRS 1G375 6/51 182 FDW182 1/49 Ch 24132 New 4-7/45 To BRS 1G376 6/51 Sold by BRS 2/54 183 FDW183 1/49 Ch 24406 New 12/45 To BRS 1G377 6/51 Sold by BRS 2/54 184 FDW184 1/49 Ch 22146 New 12/42 To BRS 1G378 6/51 Sold by BRS 2/54 Somewhere I have the two Pearse Haulage ones in a line-up. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uw167 Posted July 16, 2009 Author Share Posted July 16, 2009 Wynns owned 14 FWDs [including one not operated]. They were eithwer the lend lease variety of c1944 or post war Nash & Morgan built up these timber drags. The side mounted spare is a similar design to that mounted on the Matador timber cranes. FDW77-79 with matching fleet numbers were the last to be built. Seen herein the yard entrance with Iron Fairy 270 behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uw167 Posted July 16, 2009 Author Share Posted July 16, 2009 A posed view of the Pearse Haulage Company prior to nationalisation in 1949. The two Fodens FDW60/61 are standing with two ex Fisher Renwick Scammells 92/3 BVXV560, BLO690 and a Bedford OXC xwd DDW30, chassis 18560 which seems to have been a quick buy to swell the PHC fleet. PHC was acquired in the 1930s and the vehicles, mostly Scammells and steamers were used "on loan" to Wynns through their life. UW167 had a small "P" above its fleet number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les freathy Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 Thanks for the extra photos UW now the Fodens are you sure that they are DG10s it was the 12 model that had the all round singles the 10 had twin rears and a complete flat floor where as the 12 had rear wheel arches. I tried to zoom in on the cab wheel arches but the photo broke up, the 10s had a slight skirt on the rear of the arch and the 12 a simple flat curved arch the photo shows the DG10. Both were used in the general service role the 12 also had various survey and camera bodies fitted, i cant believe that Wynns changed all the wheels on the vehicles to singles but then stranger things have happened. Keep those interesting photos coming cheers Les Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisg Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 John. Thanks for the photos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uw167 Posted July 16, 2009 Author Share Posted July 16, 2009 The description on these Alcan photos says "167 ton casting from Sheffield to Rogerstone via Coventry, Buckingham, Bicester and Chipping Norton. Presumably it was off loaded for the rail crossing at Gloucester. The date is April 1960 Diamond T 266/PDW321 is leading followed by Pacific 193/HDW122. In the second view another DT 212/HDW572, Wynns 9th, a 981 model, has arrived - on tradeplates! It would have been an experience to watch this going through the Cotswolds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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