Tony B Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 Anyone got a picture of the 58 layout please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 chevpol Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 there are piccys on my groups website, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Tony B Posted June 11, 2009 Author Share Posted June 11, 2009 there are piccys on my groups website, Mark :iloveyou: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Bazz Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 Hers a couple of documents Barry. 58 Pattern Webbing1.pdf 58 webbing2.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Stone Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 It doesn't mention how hard it is to get the pouches onto the belt with your feeble cadet fingers though :rofl: Stone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Snapper Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 I can still hear the swearing from my son's bedroom when he built is 58 kit. Stryker is at a ATC Dining In night tonight. His sister, who is also a cadet looks very glam. She isn't interested in webbing unless it is made by Versace. Brings a whole new meaning to Gucci kit, I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 chevpol Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 Heres a thought, how about a section in Pathfinder for webbing etc? I have 38 pattern (postwar RAF of course!!!) 58 Pattern, a bit of American, a South African set, Isreali Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Tony B Posted June 13, 2009 Author Share Posted June 13, 2009 A bit on PLCE would help as well! Number one son has started to restore the Series 2 FFR so any info on 1960's British kit very welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Redcap Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 I've got the RMP version of the PLCE packing list knocking around here somewhere. I'll see if I can find it for you. Re 1960s kit, 58 webbing took about five to eight years to fully filter through. I've photos from the late 60s from BAOR showing RMP in 37 pattern webbing, for pities sake! HOWEVER, this should help with the uniform gear a bit, I hope... http://www.practicalairsoft.co.uk/cwp/uniform-clothing.html Hope it helps, anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 abn deuce Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 Not sure if it was said before , that when depicting any era soldiers uniform can have any bits and pieces from earlier times and still be correct as stated above by Redcap, just not have any bits from after the time being represented. Several stories that in the US Army that soldiers in WWII were still being issued bits of WWI gear , so that on inspections those with the more complete WWII gear were positioned in the front rows while those with the most mixed gear where hidden in the rear most rows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Tony B Posted June 13, 2009 Author Share Posted June 13, 2009 Thanks guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Adam Elsdon Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 (edited) Then you'll need all the bits and bobs to go with the 58 webbing, picks, water bottle, shovels, machete sheath and machete, helmet to go on the large pack, mess tins, ,magazines, respirator and haversack (The haversack is a collectors dream! spare cannister, fullers earth, de-misting compound, combo pens, NAPS tablets, spectacles, Survive to Fight book respirator check card etc etc)it just goes on, but look at any old sweats webbing and it is very individual on how they had it rigged, so long as they carried the required equipment, ammo etc. Edited June 13, 2009 by Adam Elsdon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Redcap Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 OK, found the kit list. You can see it at: http://www.practicalairsoft.co.uk/cwp/downloads/itc-kitlist.html Note that this was downloaded off the Infantry Training Centre (ITC) website something like seven (7) years ago. I've searched, and the original is no longer to be found publicly online, as it would appear to have been fully updated to current doctrine, and at presumably moved to the ArmyNet site, which is the British Army's new-fangled secure Extranet service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Redcap Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 (The haversack is a collectors dream! No kidding, lol Green nylon Respirator haversack (in good nick) CHECK S Mk 6 Respirator, CHECK spare cannister, CHECK fullers earth, DKP 1&2 CHECK de-misting compound, CHECK (Do not use, it's a heft carcinogen!) combo pens, AAARGH! Where do I find the Drill Purpose ones?! NAPS tablets, AAARGH! Where do I find the Drill Purpose ones?! spectacles, AAARGH! Where do I find these then?! Survive to Fight book Got one from the 1980s respirator check card Um... AAARGH again?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 agripper Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 We used to turn the belt upside down so you carried the bum roll on the top over teh kidney puches this helped keep the bum role from hitting the backs of your tegs when running, Also used to carry 2 water bottles and crossed the straps on the kidney puches to help keep them tight together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Yorkie370 Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 (edited) Usually I had a full set of 58 packed to comply with a kit-list, just for inspections, and a roll-pin belt loaded with S6/10 haversack and water-bottle pouches, and a Berghaus 'Munro' daysack. The full set stayed with the Flight G10 truck and the rest was carabinered together and and secured under the seats on the Lynx, or stuffed in the boot with all the rest of the junk we carried in Gazelles. I used the same set-up when I was a driver/sig in FFR Rovers and Sultans, MK Bowsers and RL/MK G10 wagons, but as I stayed with the same Sqn for 13 years, ground-and aircrew, I guess they'd just got used to my idiosyncrasies. Oh, and don't get it wet; it doubles in weight. Edited June 14, 2009 by Yorkie370 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Tony B Posted June 14, 2009 Author Share Posted June 14, 2009 So look for a great pile of green bags with a pair of boots sticking out! Don't start number one son off, he's still working on the Landy :shake: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Pete Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 We used to buy our own, then slap matt black paint on it in an attempt to camo it up a bit. The local cycle shop used to do a roaring trade in bungees, to hold it all together. As I was too slim to carry two water bottles and an S6 ( those were the days! ), I used this: Is it the sought after haversack that has been mentioned? (No belt loops, just the neck strap, type.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 ArtistsRifles Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 That looks like an very early S6 respirator case!! Later ones had a press-stud fixing. In theory the strap goes around the neck and there should be a cord stashed in a pocket on the R.H side that passes around the body and fastens onto the round "catch" on the left. The case is then resting on the chest. Looking at the photo the cord can just be seen..... In practice if you wore it as per the book the first time you dived for cover you got a VERY sore chest.... So it usually got hung off the 58 pattern belt - on the left IIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Adam Elsdon Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 It has to be said, the later S10 was a big improvement, you could nearly breathe through it, you could take a drink without taking it off, and the bag would actually take the respirator quite easily compared to an S6. Gas Gas Gas!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 ArtistsRifles Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 It has to be said, the later S10 was a big improvement, you could nearly breathe through it, you could take a drink without taking it off, and the bag would actually take the respirator quite easily compared to an S6. Gas Gas Gas!! S10 was after my time I fear..... Sounds a big improvement though!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 ferretfixer Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 S10 was after my time I fear..... Sounds a big improvement though!! Neil, S10 has ROUND plastic lenses compared to your S6 with glass 'wraparounds'. Also it has a tube with a tap to fit the later plastic waterbottle cap. (Later cap has a push/pull valve for the tube to be attached). Did you ever have to do the ,'I have a bright idea,' young Officer order? Lets go for a run in full NBC kit!!!! Trying to breath with the extra 'Demand' from running in a Respirator was 'Really Fun'??? :-X I used my Brain & Pushed a matchbox in under the chin area so you could breath normally! :thumbsup: F****ng Officers!! All a Bit different when they wanted something doing as a 'Private Job' though! That was the time to get your own back........ :rofl: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 ArtistsRifles Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Hmm - plastic doesn't sound a good idea to me.... As for the "lets go for a run in NBC kit" - yep, been there, done that, part of what was then known as Continuation training with the Chelsea boys.... In the Brecons, 80 lb bergen, belt kit and SLR (without sling swivels and carrying handle) and in summer...... Oh the joys of pouring sweat out of the mask and overboots...... :argh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Adam Elsdon Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Never had a problem with the plastic lenses, and they didnt steam up as bad as the S6 glass eyepieces. The S10 also had a speech module built into the opposite side from the cannister, for attaching a radio microphone. Pretty well sorted out bits of kit, a big improvement on the S6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Yorkie370 Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 ........and all user-maintainable, after you'd done the NBC Instructor course. :evil: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Redcap Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 Don't tell me none of you summer-weighted "Training" canisters?! Good Lord, I thought all you regs did that :evil: And yeah, I learned that one from an ex-reg... only word of warning he mentioned... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . "Never use the summer can in the gas chamber, OK?":rofl: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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