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I have just taken delivery of a Humber FV1611 Pig (27BK21) and a Harley-Davidson MT350 (Military reg not known)

where can I find service records for the Pig? And is it possible to ID the reg number for the MT350 from the VIN?

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Well you can try the RLC museum Deepcut for both with the information you have or  CLIVE ELLIOT on here for the pig

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27 BK 51

FV1602 (ie CT FFW)

Contract No. 6/V/6443

Chassis No. 02751

Engine No. 4832

Delivered to 31st B Vehicle Depot Church Broughton 29/12/54

Receipt Voucher CBR/R/2646

 

Converted to FV1612 (ie Armoured FFW) circa 1959-60

Contract No. 6/V/27210

Struck Off Census BAOR 12/9/67

 

One of about 200 recovered in 1972

Converted to Mk 2 FV1611 role in Operation Bracelet June 1972-Sept 1973

Disposal date not known

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Oh stupid me. I'll sort that might be a little while to pull it together.

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27BK21 I have it as FV1611 APC up armoured and modified to Mk 2 for use in Northern Ireland. Clive will confirm all.

 

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I have managed to locate its sheet from the RLC database, but any further info would be appreciated, especially photos 

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To be going on with, in NI still a Mk 1 at this stage.

 

27 BK 21a (Medium).jpg

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Well I can't beat that for detail.

Interesting to see it became 75 MS 181 for final sale.

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Thought paperwork looked similar, my  Pig 21BK96 was struck off 22/10/91. L10609 Private sale (Stratford) REF No 75MS163 Disposal Sales. 6/2 /92

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27 BK 21

Contract No. 6/V/6443

Asset Code 314659.01.777

FV1602A (ie GS FFW with no winch)

Engine No.8482

Delivered to 31st B Vehicle Depot Church Broughton 14/12/54

Receipt Voucher CBR/R/27210

 

In 1966 the structure of Asset Codes changed to a simpler (for the computer to understand) but less informative format.

When converted to a Pig (Mk 1) FV1612A it was coded 1766.0501

When converted to Mk 2 it did not retain FFW role as FFR & become 1765.2501

But became 1760.2501 which is APC role as FV1611

Photo is IWM Ref. NI 70/29/3 which looks like it might give a clue to the date.

 

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25 minutes ago, Peakrec said:

Thought paperwork looked similar, my  Pig 21BK96 was struck off 22/10/91. L10609 Private sale (Stratford) REF No 75MS163 Disposal Sales. 6/2 /92

Yes and yours had a unique history, I don't think any other Humber went through so many structural & role changes, from being a 310125.01.777 !!

 

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Merlin says date in service 01/01/1955, cast 26/09/93.

Andy

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Yes was a missile launcher, then to an up armoured Mk 2 with complete new body, do you know what the Humber starter life as Clive ? FV1601, FV1602 ? Best regards Nigel.

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Nigel as you know the internet is riddled with guff that the Hornets were modified Pigs, which is utter nonsense.

One would be tempted to think that the Hornets would have been based on FV1602 having a FFW facility already but an oil fed 25A dynamo was of no use. The Hornets were built from the FV1601, the weedy 12A dynamo was of no use either as 100A alternators were fitted & the engines were redesignated as B60 Mk 5F.

The internet & even EMERs state it was a Mk 5A, which is wrong, if you look at Hornet engine plates they are restamped 5F. There is a wealth of nonsense out there, even airborne related sites get so many things wrong. So many sites copy from each other & make unfounded & extraordinary assumptions. Even copying data from official Hornet publications is misleading because they were written before the Hornets went into production & relate to the prototypes.

An accurate description of their development & deployment is covered in Hornet specific chapter in the limited edition book The Parachute Squadron RAC 1965-76.

 

 

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Many thanks Clive. Starting to wire brush and clean under mine, then to get it painted and keep things ship shape.

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