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17 hours ago, Ex-boy said:

Hi Ted, I was a bit before you, as my MRS memories are from Arborfield, 1965/1967. I guess my memory was a bit hazy though, as Receiving instead of Reception appears to be the concensus.

Hi Ex Boy,  your recollection is correct ; RAF " mobile receiving stations" were renamed "Mobile field hospitals"  in May 1943.   searching the tinternet post WW2  the British Army always used the word reception. 

 I was coming to the end of my RAF life sentence when I chose to get specialist help at Redford barracks rather than the NHS- It was the best decision I ever made !!   The RAF called our post war equivalent of the MRS,  station sick quarters, then regional medical centres then station medical centres god knows what they are called now LOL   

 sorry to deviate from the thread subject   TED.

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38 minutes ago, john_g_kearney said:

An interesting line of thought, Smithy. Given that the war was over, could the deceased even have been flown home if of high enough rank?

John.

 

Doubtful   they didn't bring Col H home from the Falklands ,  I think Iraq was the first full blown action where we repatriated. TED

 

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Could there be the possibility that the deceased was a civilian working with the RAF in Hong Kong such as a Doctor ?

Also I guess the few potential list of casualties must be a small selection, as I got the impression many ex-Japanese POWs were too weak to be repatriated immediately and many died after liberation.

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On ‎08‎/‎02‎/‎2018 at 9:38 AM, john_g_kearney said:

An interesting line of thought, Smithy. Given that the war was over, could the deceased even have been flown home if of high enough rank?

John.

 

Hi John, no it would have been very unlikely that the deceased would've been flown home - they would have been buried close to where they died. Even after the end of the war. 

On ‎08‎/‎02‎/‎2018 at 10:18 AM, ted angus said:

Doubtful   they didn't bring Col H home from the Falklands ,  I think Iraq was the first full blown action where we repatriated. TED

 

That is correct Ted. The CWGC care for those on the Falklands on an agency basis. 

On ‎08‎/‎02‎/‎2018 at 3:12 PM, LarryH57 said:

Could there be the possibility that the deceased was a civilian working with the RAF in Hong Kong such as a Doctor ?

Also I guess the few potential list of casualties must be a small selection, as I got the impression many ex-Japanese POWs were too weak to be repatriated immediately and many died after liberation.

There is a chance of this, and as they wouldn't have died of enemy action then they wouldn't be in the CWGC database. However given the high military presence in the photo I'd guess that they must have been serving. 

I plumped for the Commonwealth casualties due to the Union Jack on the coffin. 

Scott

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43 minutes ago, Smithy said:

Hi John, no it would have been very unlikely that the deceased would've been flown home - they would have been buried close to where they died. Even after the end of the war. 

That is correct Ted. The CWGC care for those on the Falklands on an agency basis. 

There is a chance of this, and as they wouldn't have died of enemy action then they wouldn't be in the CWGC database. However given the high military presence in the photo I'd guess that they must have been serving. 

I plumped for the Commonwealth casualties due to the Union Jack on the coffin. 

Scott

Not sure I agree with your comment on CWGC records. My understanding is that all deaths in service, even many post-war are recorded and of course also have headstones where burials took place.

Steve.

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8 minutes ago, Ex-boy said:

Not sure I agree with your comment on CWGC records. My understanding is that all deaths in service, even many post-war are recorded and of course also have headstones where burials took place.

Steve.

Hi Steve, yes I perhaps should have explained better. Any servicemen who died up to 31 December 1947 would be recorded on the CWGC database - and receive a CWGC headstone. I was referring to the fact that if it was a civilian doctor who died, as Larry stated may have been a possibility, then he wouldn't be commemorated as he didn't die as a result of enemy action. Thanks, Scott

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This photograph is of members of 40 Air Stores Park, serving in the Western Desert circa 1943. Any thoughts about the tanker lorry in the background please? The chassis looks military with its single instead of twin rear wheels, but the tank does not (to me at least...)

John.

 

 

RAF 40 ASP tanker lorry.jpg

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1 hour ago, john_g_kearney said:

This photograph is of members of 40 Air Stores Park, serving in the Western Desert circa 1943. Any thoughts about the tanker lorry in the background please? The chassis looks military with its single instead of twin rear wheels, but the tank does not (to me at least...)

John.

 

 

 

With the glimpse of the front wing and wheel, and rake of the windscreen I would say Dodge or Chev.

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1 hour ago, john_g_kearney said:

Many thanks, John and Richard.

I have found another view of it - a tiny part of a group photograph, here much enlarged. Is it looking more like a Chevrolet from this angle?

Any thoughts on the tank please - water or petrol?

John.

 

 

John,

Definitely Chevrolet, and right hand drive, so guess it came in from Canada.  Tank looks to be a local adaption, probably water.

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Richard and John, many thanks for your various responses. Unit is 40 Air Stores Park, serving in the Western Desert. I believe the unit went to Italy subsequently.

Here are members of the unit with a different trailer. Is that a sun helmet on the ground far left?

 

John.

 

 

RAF 40 ASP trailer and sun helmet.jpg

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 I would say the tanker is water- even though it appears to be multi compartment. I cannot see any refueling equipment or pump, just a single delivery hose, it is parked beside the first mystery trailer. The trailers were of a standard basic pattern, size and shape; however this one has a full length raised centre portion which incorporates a ventilator which indicates it is a "cooking tender trailer" in other words a mobile kitchen. The water tanker is parked beside it and its the focus for the lads, most sitting on 2 long wooden forms to have a cuppa and what ever goodies came out of that box. There is a crudely made duckboard resting against the trailer possibly for use when a hot meal is served via a lift up hatch with the canvas side raised to become an awning.  So I would say this is the "Messing Area". Second trailer- solid sides , no windows, 2 vents in the roof, I would say this is a Stores Tender Trailer- i.e. binned and loose stores  which would be a typical for an Air Stores Park. Hope this helps. ted

 

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That would appear to be a sun hat plus two wicker baskets jerry cans, and early british fuel tins, boxes, and possibly one piece of summerfield tracking resting against the left of the trailer. On the left side of the tank at the front there appears to be an insignia, and ajacent to possibly the front and centre compartments two white crosses in chalk. I would think the hose has been used as gravity drainage, or to connect to remote pumping, to either fill or discharge. There should be a record of the vehicles and equipment allocated to the unit. It seems that they were not short of tin mugs.

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On 29 May 2018 at 9:58 AM, ted angus said:

 I would say the tanker is water- even though it appears to be multi compartment. I cannot see any refueling equipment or pump, just a single delivery hose, it is parked beside the first mystery trailer. The trailers were of a standard basic pattern, size and shape; however this one has a full length raised centre portion which incorporates a ventilator which indicates it is a "cooking tender trailer" in other words a mobile kitchen. The water tanker is parked beside it and its the focus for the lads, most sitting on 2 long wooden forms to have a cuppa and what ever goodies came out of that box. There is a crudely made duckboard resting against the trailer possibly for use when a hot meal is served via a lift up hatch with the canvas side raised to become an awning.  So I would say this is the "Messing Area". Second trailer- solid sides , no windows, 2 vents in the roof, I would say this is a Stores Tender Trailer- i.e. binned and loose stores  which would be a typical for an Air Stores Park. Hope this helps. ted

 

It looks to me like someone wearing cook's whites just to the right of centre in the group photo, which would add weight to the messing area scenario.

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