simon king Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 What was used before plastic cable ties were invented In the 1940s, how would the cable for an interior light be attached to a tilt frame as part of a factory fit? one of those things you never think about until you have to thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Surveyor Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 If you are thinking into a hard surface like brick, we still use a metal clip which wraps around the wire and held by a screw into a rawplug. I have seen metal clips holding them to a wire tray in the war cabinet rooms at white hall. What are you looking at for the element which is holding the wires Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 fv1609 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 These I would think: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-electricians-metal-Buckle-Clips-x-67-boxed-3-sizes-Building-vehicle-OB-/272397925276?hash=item3f6c2e7b9c:g:sIgAAOSwmfhX5~T1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 simon king Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 (edited) If you are thinking into a hard surface like brick, we still use a metal clip which wraps around the wire and held by a screw into a rawplug.I have seen metal clips holding them to a wire tray in the war cabinet rooms at white hall. What are you looking at for the element which is holding the wires In the back of the Bedford MWR there is an interior light fed by a 2 pin plug on the back of the cab. The wire then tracks up the framework supporting the canvas tilt to a standard Lucas interior light in the centre of the roof. Just wondering the correct way to attach the wire to the framework. (Edit) thanks Clive I've always assumed that type was just for electrical installations with lead sheathed cable in the house but certainly a possibility Edited October 21, 2016 by simon king Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 fv1609 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Simon yes that certainly was the original purpose. But I recall several cables in my WW2 Tabby set up used these clips to group the free standing cables together, I assumed they were original but can't be certain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 MatchFuzee Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Vehicle cable fixings here maybe the type that you are looking for:- http://www.autoelectricsupplies.co.uk/product_list/65 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 matchlesswdg3 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 These are what we use as cable ties on WW2 WD motorcycles........ http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Quantity-10-X-John-Bull-Type-SILICON-RUBBER-Cable-Ties-Vintage-Classic-Bike-BSA-/322025691585?hash=item4afa3a19c1:g:9J8AAOSwAYtWKQOn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Richard Farrant Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 What was used before plastic cable ties were invented In the 1940s, how would the cable for an interior light be attached to a tilt frame as part of a factory fit? one of those things you never think about until you have to thanks Brass or aluminium buckle clips on vehicles were the norm. I still use these on restorations to give the period look. For motorcycles as Ferg points out, the John Bull rubber ties were used right up until the 70's on British motorcycles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 simon king Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 Thanks all - Your advice is much appreciated - I see that AES do brass buckle ties so I will get some of those as well as the rubber type. Always useful to have both types available, particularly for when the radio is installed. I've used p-clips and chassis clips often but just didn't have a clue how to secure the wire to the tilt frame. Electrical tape didnt feel right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Chris Hall Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 These are what we use as cable ties on WW2 WD motorcycles........ http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Quantity-10-X-John-Bull-Type-SILICON-RUBBER-Cable-Ties-Vintage-Classic-Bike-BSA-/322025691585?hash=item4afa3a19c1:g:9J8AAOSwAYtWKQOn Still used on Martin Baker Ejection seats as fitted To Tornado, Typhoon and Lightning II. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Chris Hall Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 No ones mentioned lacing cord. Used to loom wires together or to attach to an anchor point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 andym Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 No ones mentioned lacing cord. Used to loom wires together or to attach to an anchor point. That was my first thought. See eBay item 142149019215 for an example of it in use on a Vulcan fuel control panel. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 matchlesswdg3 Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 I should add regards those rubber motorcycle cable ties, the quality of "rubber" seems to vary (as it does with most repro rubber bits, in my experience) and I have had batches that are like soft cheese! Also, where their application is important, I use a modern nylon ziplock tie underneath the rubber one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 g0ozs Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Lacing was certainly the preferred solution for BT/GPO things - at least internal to equipment until about the time I started in the '80s - likewise internally to the Clansman equipment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 andym Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Lacing was certainly the preferred solution for BT/GPO things - at least internal to equipment until about the time I started in the '80s - likewise internally to the Clansman equipment We used to use it for everything internal at Piccadilly Radio in the 1980s. The Neve mixing desks were full of it. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 armouredfarmer Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 I remember a form of perforated black plastic strip which was used with a sort of rivet to bundle cables together. Pop the rivet through the first hole in the strip, wrap the strip round the bundle of cables and pull tight, push the tightest possible hole over the end of the rivet and cut off. We had some lying around in a theatre I worked in in the 70's never really used it, but wish I had some now as its what was used to loom the cables in the back of the K9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 fv1609 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Yes I know exactly what you mean, it is very 50s-60s. It was used in my cipher office & Shorland. There were at least two sizes, it could the screwed/riveted to a surface or could be used free standing to bunch cables with small plastic studs. I had a lot of reels of both sizes. When I downsized this year, nobody seemed interested in it so it got chucked. But I should have a reel of each size that I saved, so when I find them I could spare some bits for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 armouredfarmer Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Yes please Clive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 fv1609 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 I am sure I have a reel of the two sizes & the matching studs, as I would have held a bit back for the Shorland. I did have several dozen reels as I got them from a scrapyard who only processed metal & anything plastic was a nuisance & given away. I hung on to that lot for years, but as I say with no interest when selling off my excess stuff the majority was chucked away :cry: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 MatchFuzee Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Still available from SNG Barratt, as used on classic Jaguars:- http://www.sngbarratt.com/ProductDetails.aspx?id=28e4dc5c-f9d6-452d-a13f-ddb9ba7e572a&b=GB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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In the 1940s, how would the cable for an interior light be attached to a tilt frame as part of a factory fit?
one of those things you never think about until you have to
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