cosrec Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 No if there is an old tunnel down there chances are 100% there is some thing in it if only track. The thing you have to ask is there a tunnel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbo Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 But why would you dig down? Surely the easiest way would be to follow the line of the tunnel until you find the entrance then open it up from there? All a bit fishy.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Not nessacarily. Put a probe into the void and lower a camera. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Go back a few days and read post Au QUOTE EXCAVATIONS CONTINUE Polish authorities are continuing preparations to excavate the buried railway siding, with trees and shrubs covering the mound set to be cleared. The train is said to be buried under 12 metres of rubble and soil in what used to be a siding carved out of a hillside, not a secret tunnel as initially reported. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbo Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Go back a few days and read post Au QUOTE EXCAVATIONS CONTINUE Polish authorities are continuing preparations to excavate the buried railway siding, with trees and shrubs covering the mound set to be cleared. The train is said to be buried under 12 metres of rubble and soil in what used to be a siding carved out of a hillside, not a secret tunnel as initially reported. Ahhh, all clear now..! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fesm_ndt Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 also if was a tunnel the ground penetrating radar would not have shown a train as the sound would hit the interface of the soil to air and reflect back, showing a void Hence I was not convinced with some of the earlier reporting that GPR had found something in a tunnel. When it changed to buried it was more interesting curious what is going to happen next Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draganm Posted September 18, 2015 Author Share Posted September 18, 2015 curious what is going to happen next the Polish army is going to start digging, very VERY carefully :laugh: But why would you dig down? Surely the easiest way would be to follow the line of the tunnel until you find the entrance then open it up from there? All a bit fishy.... starting at the existing track side, the original siding opening, would seem to make sense. I guess it depends on how far back the train is from the main tracks. No point in removing half a kilometer of dirt just to get to the back of the train. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 DM , return of the Amber Room , has to be somewhere I suppose.. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3240066/Nazi-gold-train-finders-claims-250m-Amber-Room-stolen-Russian-Czars-Hitler-inside.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draganm Posted September 24, 2015 Author Share Posted September 24, 2015 looks like the "lost train" isn't the only thing the Nazi's left behind, some of their attitude lives on in the bloated government full of self-important busy-bodies. Instead of thanking these 2 guys they will now be prosecuted:rolleyes: By law, Pole Piotr Koper and German Andreas Richter should have applied to Lower Silesia's Conservator of Monuments, Barbara Nowak-Obelinda, or Poland's General Conservator, Deputy Minister of Culture Piotr Zuchowski. Nowak-Obelinda has already filed a complaint with the District Prosecutor's Office in the city of Wałbrzych. The two men submitted a claim in August with Wałbrzych authorities, calling for 10 percent of the value of their supposed find still no digging Sappers preparing for action Meanwhile, sappers from an army regiment in the Silesian town of Brzeg are expected to appear at the site on Monday. Although they will survey the territory, it has been stressed that no digging will be carried out at present. Minister of Defence Tomasz Siemoniak has underlined that first and foremost, the question of safety must be tackled. “Rumours have spread about mines and bombs which supposedly could be hidden there,” Siemoniak said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fesm_ndt Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 yep if it was me I'd have a vacuum ore lifter there and there'd be a big enough hole already after a week, to prove or disprove A cheaper option is high pressure water lancing and a vacuum truck, if the rocks aint that big Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 http://www.express.co.uk/news/history/607945/Nazi-gold-train-exists-radar-70ft-underground http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3248723/Could-Nazi-gold-train-treasure-hunters-JAILED-getting-hands-loot-Two-men-mystery-train-face-arrest-Poland-illegal-search.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draganm Posted September 26, 2015 Author Share Posted September 26, 2015 gotta love Eastern European governments, a bunch of lazy apparatchiks who serve no purpose and usually have nothing to do. A situation like this is a great opportunity for everyone to justify their salaries, from obscure professors at some state university who are certain the GPR images are "fake", to some local "conservator of monuments" who's biggest responsibility was polishing off bird-turds from Bronze statues now making absolutely sure these hardened criminals do 30 days for failing to get the right permits. Look at me, look at me, see how important I am :yay: Mrs Nowak-Obelinda, from the Lower Silesian Conservator of Monuments, filed a complaint with the District prosecutor's office saying that the pair had searched for the train 'without permission' and that 'using devices such as ground penetrating radar is an offence punishable by a fine, community service or detention for 30 days.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/28/nazi-gold-train-polish-army-search-secret-tunnel Not be long now ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 (edited) DM with the fine detail of course , 7m short LoL http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3252161/Is-Nazi-gold-train-mystery-solved-Polish-soldiers-FINALLY-start-digging-ll-excavate-metre-s-eight-metres-down.html Edited September 28, 2015 by ruxy amd. link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draganm Posted September 28, 2015 Author Share Posted September 28, 2015 http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/28/nazi-gold-train-polish-army-search-secret-tunnel Not be long now ? any ordinance or NBC specialist guys on here? How will they know by walking around thru brush if there's "splosives" or nerve gas 12 to 30 meters under their feet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 DM states - digging to last 6 days, it seems by spade/shovel , big area to strip to depth of even 1m , all that concrete too - otherwise a total sham. And the world waits , you can't be serious, you can't be serious,you can't be serious,you can't be serious, Do you know how many miles of track German engineer railway squads laid per day from Poland into Russia , and that did not include conversion from broad gauge to standard ,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draganm Posted September 28, 2015 Author Share Posted September 28, 2015 DM states - digging to last 6 days, it seems by spade/shovel , big area to strip to depth of even 1m , all that concrete too - otherwise a total sham., LOL, just read DM, the guys who found this posed the same question I did, "what's the point of scratching the top of the dirt?" i mean the dam thing is 10 meters down and they have soldiers with shovels out there. Could be a big sham just like you said, something along the lines of " Value of train, 10 million Euros. cost to have the military and government "investigate and dig", = 9,999,999. Finders get 10% of the rest :-D And the world waits , you can't be serious, you can't be serious,you can't be serious,you can't be serious,Do you know how many miles of track German engineer railway squads laid per day from Poland into Russia , and that did not include conversion from broad gauge to standard ,, the Polish government might just decide to investigate every single meter of that track, and save this tunnel for last :cheesy: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secondshooter Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Or are we only getting part of the story ? a sensible approach would be to strip off 1 meter of soil carefully with EOD personnel checking for any surprises. I assume most of the mines would be close to the surface , once removed they could get in machines to do the bulk or the remaining overburden. the shovels again for the last bit. something that strikes me as odd , why hasn't there been a professional/authorized GPR survey done to confirm or denounce the disputed treasure hunters GPR results ? is something being covered up (excuse the pun), would be mighty embarrassing for the Germans finding a sealed tomb containing slave laborers or Concentration Camp prisoners. is the tunnel complex already being accessed by another route and anything of value being removed by the government. there are other countries/groups claiming the yet undiscovered contents to be theirs. why bother sharing all that gold ? why is everything taking so long , total bollocks about it costing the Military a huge amount to do the work , they are already being paid to do sod all , they have manpower and vehicles who are not off fighting a war so all they would miss out on is some drill practice and painting rocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 If there is a Nazi gold train burried somewhere , I doubt if it would be burried or in a cavern anywhere near a known existing railway. A German Railway Commando , IIRC could lay 30 miles of new track in a day as well as self protection against partizans etc. Even more miles for very light truck traffic. At the end of the war the Germans would not hide any heavy carriage mounted gun unless it was a Hitler secret super-gun unknown of to date. The Russians did not advance so fast, a track could be laid and immediately lifted and moved in front for re-laying , there would be no witnesses in the area because a Railway Commando provided their own security. Probably a pre-prepared tunnel was bored in a hillside and covered over , no sign of any tracks - all in a days work , no evidence at all after several weeks all for a very low investment , the Railway Commando were available at no cost. Polish searchers have had the last 20 years free to search , they need a re-think , not easy without a clue.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeePig Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Well, Polish searchers have had a lot to search for in the past 20 years, and even going through archives here can mean a mix of Polish, Russian, Yiddish, German and Latin, depending on where you are and what you are looking for. That part of Poland is, um, not so well developed as the rest of the country, which makes things a tad more difficult, and has a ton of stuff to explore. Twenty years ago it was hard to buy tools to repair your car, and it was still hard to believe that you would be allowed to do any looking. Today, it is all so different. trevor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Seems they have a new industry , or old but much larger industry whilst the sun shines - soon be a winter. http://www.nbcnews.com/business/travel/nazi-gold-train-town-walbrzych-enjoys-tourism-gold-rush-n435476 Wearing a bit thin , low level official dig. I suppose many more people now know what the area attractions are that are known. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draganm Posted September 30, 2015 Author Share Posted September 30, 2015 holy crap, that's right in the middle of the city, there's building, parking lots and even a motor-way on all sides. Lets really hope there's nothing dangerous buried there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-03/suspense-mounts-over-fabled-nazi-gold-train-in-poland/6825004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draganm Posted October 3, 2015 Author Share Posted October 3, 2015 so the army has scratched around with some shovels ad said, " this dirt is safe". Now the local authorities are punting the ball up the culture minister who will no doubt have to consult some higher authority and it will spin around in bureaucratic limbo for months to come. they should make a movie, a Polish version of the 3 stooges go treasure hunting. Why don't they just hand it over to the 2 guys that found it. The state would get 90% of the value after all excavating expenses are deducted. That would be too easy though. Why do i get the nagging feeling this will turn out to be another Russian swamp-stug, perfect time capsule vehicle hauled out in preserved condition and left to rust and be stripped in some open space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Descions, Descions, Not me Comrade! :yawn: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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