wally dugan Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 l think its as simple as the top of each square is dissected by a wire cross so one leg in each section making crossing slow causing a build up of attackers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 It was the wooden things I meant to collapse, so do the wood pole/slats spread apart and trap the poor enemy's legs? The wooden things? Bernard the only wooden things are the two types post. (Poor old enemy ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 l think its as simple as the top of each square is dissected by a wire cross so one leg in each section making crossingslow causing a build up of attackers There is a strong element of that Wally but before the poles & wires go in that particular set up with the square things would have taken 10 men about 4 hours to get it set up beforehand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiketheBike Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Clive, so 40 manhours, about 47 elements, so the best part of an hour to set up each block. Must be quite a complicated structure? Is the wire the actual structure, or is it layed inside each element? The fact that it takes the best part of an hour to build each 3x3 square seems to suggest the elements are "wound" or made out of the wire? Mick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lauren Child Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 is it a dug hole filled with something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 Clive, so 40 manhours, about 47 elements, so the best part of an hour to set up each block. Must be quite a complicated structure? Is the wire the actual structure, or is it layed inside each element? The fact that it takes the best part of an hour to build each 3x3 square seems to suggest the elements are "wound" or made out of the wire? Mick Yes Mike a lot of hard work, the wires are between some of the poles & not wound on any other structure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 is it a dug hole filled with something? Well Lauren yes & no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Looks like a complicated shooting butt. Does any weapon mount in or on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 Looks like a complicated shooting butt. Does any weapon mount in or on it? Nope Tony nothing like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lauren Child Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Well Lauren yes & no Is it a dug hole? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 Yes well done Lauren. Just holes in the ground! A great deal of ingenuity has been expended by many thinking something was pointing up at us rather than us looking down into something. The pointed sticks are in the bottom of these very neatly dug holes & the other poles are the mainstays for plain wire to be strung around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally dugan Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 FIRST very well done LAUREN secondly as ever sneaky clive see post 20 a hole above GROUND Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lauren Child Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Yes well done Lauren. Just holes in the ground! A great deal of ingenuity has been expended by many thinking something was pointing up at us rather than us looking down into something. The pointed sticks are in the bottom of these very neatly dug holes & the other poles are the mainstays for plain wire to be strung around. we got there in the end Interesting stuff Clive. I wonder how effective it was, and whether the idea of digging it in was so that it couldn't easily be seen until the unfortunate souls were on top of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 FIRST very well done LAUREN secondly as ever sneaky clive see post 20 a hole above GROUND Yes I thought you were going to get it Wally you certainly put in the time & ideas. Sorry if the reply to #20 was misleading, I should have perhaps put it another way, but I was trying steer people away from things buried under ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 I wonder how effective it was, and whether the idea of digging it in was so that it couldn't easily be seen until the unfortunate souls were on top of it. I don't know Lauren I suppose if you were on horseback you could see into it a bit better but on the other hand the cavalry would be charging & there wouldn't be much stopping or turning round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fesm_ndt Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 we got there in the end Interesting stuff Clive. I wonder how effective it was, and whether the idea of digging it in was so that it couldn't easily be seen until the unfortunate souls were on top of it. I was taught to do something similar in the sense of hiding the obstacle, with what was termed b@stard wire, http://www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/Bastard_Wire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally dugan Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 CLIVE your answer did not throw me off l enjoy your mystery objects gets the brain working Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 CLIVE your answer did not throw me off l enjoy your mystery objects gets the brain working Wally I imagined your inquisitive tenacity would not be put off by such side tracks I'm always impressed with the range ideas & humour that these objects throw up. If it had slowed up I was waiting for Bernard to post again & was going to make a reference to Mr Cribbins. These 'oles or shallow pits are depicted with great precision & linearity, I just wonder how rigorously they were actually constructed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Suslowicz Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I don't know Lauren I suppose if you were on horseback you could see into it a bit better but on the other hand the cavalry would be charging & there wouldn't be much stopping or turning round. It's going to be fairly nasty: horses would probably break legs, anyone falling into a pit has a good chance of ending up with the sharpened stake stuck somewhere unpleasant, and the GI wire will stop anyone trying to play hopscotch around the pits. That assumes during daylight; at night the enemy won't see the pits until they fall into them (especially if they try a mass attack on foot) and the resultant screams will have the whole camp alert before the enemy have got themselves out of the trap. (I was going to suggest "Punji trap" but was beaten to the solution by Lauren.) I suspect the French translates as "Wolf Pits" (Holes of the wolf). Concertina wire is a much kinder, gentler, substitute. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lauren Child Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 It's going to be fairly nasty: horses would probably break legs, anyone falling into a pit has a good chance of ending up with the sharpened stake stuck somewhere unpleasant, and the GI wire will stop anyone trying to play hopscotch around the pits. That assumes during daylight; at night the enemy won't see the pits until they fall into them (especially if they try a mass attack on foot) and the resultant screams will have the whole camp alert before the enemy have got themselves out of the trap. That's what I was thinking, and I've just noticed that the direction of attack is over the raised edge, which would further hide the installation from advancing troops. Nasty stuff. I'd assumed the raised edge was what you were protecting (a barricade or trench). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redherring Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Best puzzle yet! Thanks Clive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gritineye Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 If it had slowed up I was waiting for Bernard to post again & was going to make a reference to Mr Cribbins. These 'oles or shallow pits are depicted with great precision & linearity, I just wonder how rigorously they were actually constructed? Well reckon we had all visualized the cross section OK, but it was that cussed precision & linearity that made us all over think it! Referring to Mr Cribbins wouldn't have helped as his was 'big and sorta round' :-D Nice one Clive...:tup:: NEXT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted February 1, 2014 Author Share Posted February 1, 2014 Well reckon we had all visualized the cross section OK, but it was that cussed precision & linearity that made us all over think it! Referring to Mr Cribbins wouldn't have helped as his was 'big and sorta round' :-D Nice one Clive...:tup:: NEXT! Ah but Bernard you were meant to listen to "the man in the bowler hat" who gave on-site advice that "you're digging it round & it should be square" Ok well I've got another one lined up for tonight (1800). Better not post it now as I have things to do & if I don't respond quickly it might be thought that someone has got too close to the answer & I am hiding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gritineye Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Way too subtle for me...not able to play tonight, but maybe it'll still be going till Sunday...:embarrassed: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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