Fusilier Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Hello any inf on the above markings the red squaire with a whith 38 in side and the 7? on the con voy disc I have found out that my landy YOU HAVE TRUCK 1/4 TON 4X4 GENERAL SERVICE ROVER MK3 FROM WAR OFFICE CONTRACT 6/VEH/16223. IT ENTERED SERVICE ON 8 NOVEMBER 1954 UNDER ARMY FORM GENERAL 1033 ISSUE/RECEIPT VOUCHER NUMBER ASC/R/2359 [12TH B VEHICLE DEPOT ASHCHURCH IN GLOUCESTERSHIRE]. IT WAS STRUCK OFF CHARGE AT WD STORAGE AND DISPOSAL DEPOT RUDDINGTON IN NOTTINGHAMSHIRE ON 28 APRIL 1964. OTHER ROVER MK3 FROM SAME CONTRACT WITH SAME DATE AND RV [8 NOV 54 & ASC/R/2359] WERE: 38 BP 47-S/O BRITISH FORCES ARABIAN PENINSULA 30 NOV 60 38 BP 60-S/O MALTA 31 OCT 65 38 BP 80-S/O KENYA CENSUS RETURN 31 OCT 64 38 BP 92-S/O FAR EAST LAND FORCES CENSUS RETURN 31 OCT 64 39 BP 02-S/O RUDDINGTON 15 MAY 63 39 BP 95-S/O FAR EAST LAND FORCES CENSUS RETURN 30 JUNE 64 41 BP 70-S/O EAST AFRICA CENSUS RETURN 31 MARCH 64 41 BP 91-S/O MALTA CENSUS RETURN 28 FEB 63 42 BP 09-S/O RUDDINGTON 26 AUG 63 THIS INDICATES THAT ALL THESE VEHICLES WERE ALLOCATED TO SAME UNIT ON 8 NOV 54. THE UNIT WAS LATER POSTED OVERSEAS; POSSIBLY MIDDLE EAST LAND FORCES AS YOU HAVE FOUND DESERT COLOUR ON YOUR VEHICLE. AS TIME WENT ON, THE LAND ROVERS WERE TRANSFERRED TO OTHER UNITS AND THEATRES OF OPERATION. YOURS AND TWO OTHERS RETURNED TO THE UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 10FM68 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 7 minutes ago, Julien Chabin said: That's correct and I thank you for the collaboration to discover the history of my Rover 8. My problem is that B historical data Card says it was send in 1964 to Germany at the 14/20th KH as part of the BAOR. Then how can I explain the sandy desert colour!? There is no markings appearing :(( Well, there are only three real choices: either my source which says 14/20H were in Libya in 1964 is wrong, or the detail on your B card is wrong, or you have mis-read it. Sometimes, a unit deploying abroad can leave behind a rear party - this regularly appears on B Cards as "R/Pty" or something similar. I wouldn't have expected 14/20H to have a rear party left in Germany for three years, however, particularly as they didn't return to Germany but went to UK. So, there has to be an error in the mix somewhere. 10 68 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Julien Chabin Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, 10FM68 said: Well, there are only three real choices: either my source which says 14/20H were in Libya in 1964 is wrong, or the detail on your B card is wrong, or you have mis-read it. Sometimes, a unit deploying abroad can leave behind a rear party - this regularly appears on B Cards as "R/Pty" or something similar. I wouldn't have expected 14/20H to have a rear party left in Germany for three years, however, particularly as they didn't return to Germany but went to UK. So, there has to be an error in the mix somewhere. 10 68 You are absolutely right about 14/20 being in Libya: it's not option 1. Do you mind if I send to you my B card in pm? That would eliminate option 3... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 10FM68 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Julien Chabin said: You are absolutely right about 14/20 being in Libya: it's not option 1. Do you mind if I send to you my B card in pm? That would eliminate option 3... Of course, you are most welcome. I should be able to interpret most of it. 10 68 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 BlueBelle Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 On 31/10/2012 at 12:18 PM, Fusilier said: i think this is the remains of a marking on the wing shame Oh look! A Tripolitania District formation flash, a Barbary dhow. Are you still pondering the vehicle's history? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 BlueBelle Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 4 hours ago, 10FM68 said: 14/20H were in Wavell Bks Benghazi, Libya between late 62 and Dec 65, having previously been in Hohne West Germany. They left Libya for Cachy Bks Perham Down from Jan 66. While in Libya, A Sqn was detached to Cyprus, for a tour with UNFICYP in May - Nov 65. 10 68 Correct. They were also in Medenine Barracks, Tripoli. B-Sqn, definately Oct 1962 to perhaps Jan 1966. The first date is 100% correct, the leaving date is not verified, yet. They took over from Cyclops 2RTR. Saladins, Saracens, Ferrets, RLs, K9s, LRs, a Scammell Explorer 93BD96 and 20t trailer and, a few odds and ends. All lovely Light Stone - coloured, bearing the Barbary Dhow flash of Tripolitania whilst the other squadrons over in Cyrenaica bore the Cyrene Pillars flash of that District. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Julien Chabin Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 13 hours ago, 10FM68 said: Of course, you are most welcome. I should be able to interpret most of it. 10 68 Nice! I will send you this by the evening I guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Fusilier Posted November 2, 2017 Author Share Posted November 2, 2017 14 hours ago, BlueBelle said: yes I am still looking in to the history thank you very much for the id of the markings do you have a pic of what it should look like ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 BlueBelle Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, Fusilier said: yes I am still looking in to the history thank you very much for the id of the markings do you have a pic of what it should look like ? Alas, I don't have a picture of your LR but you must take solace from knowing it served in Tripolitania, certainly post-1957/8 with that formation flash and, perhaps earlier too if the formation flash was 10 Armd Division's or the earlier 25 Armd Brigade's 'left-facing standing white rhino on a black oval. The Guards Brigade, 1 Inf Division served for quite some years in Tripoli/Zavia prior to the formation of 25 Armd Brigade in 1952, but I think that period up to 1952 may be too early for your vehicle. I hope you solve the mystery! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Julien Chabin Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 14 hours ago, BlueBelle said: Correct. They were also in Medenine Barracks, Tripoli. B-Sqn, definately Oct 1962 to perhaps Jan 1966. The first date is 100% correct, the leaving date is not verified, yet. They took over from Cyclops 2RTR. Saladins, Saracens, Ferrets, RLs, K9s, LRs, a Scammell Explorer 93BD96 and 20t trailer and, a few odds and ends. All lovely Light Stone - coloured, bearing the Barbary Dhow flash of Tripolitania whilst the other squadrons over in Cyrenaica bore the Cyrene Pillars flash of that District. Dear Bluebelle your knowledge is amazing! Do you think there is a chance to know if my 98EL86 was part of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 BlueBelle Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Julien Chabin said: Dear Bluebelle your knowledge is amazing! Do you think there is a chance to know if my 98EL86 was part of it? I'm so sorry Julien, I don't have any amazing knowledge about your LR in Libya. Not even a photo. It may be worth a try contacting The Hawks on their forum at: http://www.1420h.org.uk/Forum/index.php Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Julien Chabin Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 26 minutes ago, BlueBelle said: I'm so sorry Julien, I don't have any amazing knowledge about your LR in Libya. Not even a photo. It may be worth a try contacting The Hawks on their forum at: http://www.1420h.org.uk/Forum/index.php Good luck! Don't be sorry please. You helped anyway! And a photo would have been just miraculous! I keep chasing! And certainly will share results in the future thanks for your wishes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Fusilier Posted November 3, 2017 Author Share Posted November 3, 2017 10 hours ago, BlueBelle said: Alas, I don't have a picture of your LR but you must take solace from knowing it served in Tripolitania, certainly post-1957/8 with that formation flash and, perhaps earlier too if the formation flash was 10 Armd Division's or the earlier 25 Armd Brigade's 'left-facing standing white rhino on a black oval. The Guards Brigade, 1 Inf Division served for quite some years in Tripoli/Zavia prior to the formation of 25 Armd Brigade in 1952, but I think that period up to 1952 may be too early for your vehicle. I hope you solve the mystery! Sorry I was unclear do you have a pic of .....A Tripolitania District formation flash, a Barbary dhow. Would it be the same as your profile pic? but with a red border? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 BlueBelle Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) 10 hours ago, Fusilier said: Sorry I was unclear do you have a pic of .....A Tripolitania District formation flash, a Barbary dhow. Would it be the same as your profile pic? but with a red border? Plenty of photos of Barbary Dhows, NO red borders (as per my profile picture), here: Edited November 3, 2017 by BlueBelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hello any inf on the above markings the red squaire with a whith 38 in side
and the 7? on the con voy disc
I have found out that my landy
YOU HAVE TRUCK 1/4 TON 4X4 GENERAL SERVICE ROVER MK3 FROM WAR OFFICE
CONTRACT 6/VEH/16223.
IT ENTERED SERVICE ON 8 NOVEMBER 1954 UNDER ARMY FORM
GENERAL 1033 ISSUE/RECEIPT VOUCHER NUMBER ASC/R/2359 [12TH B VEHICLE
DEPOT ASHCHURCH IN GLOUCESTERSHIRE]. IT WAS STRUCK OFF CHARGE AT WD
STORAGE AND DISPOSAL DEPOT RUDDINGTON IN NOTTINGHAMSHIRE ON 28 APRIL
1964.
OTHER ROVER MK3 FROM SAME CONTRACT WITH SAME DATE AND RV [8 NOV 54 &
ASC/R/2359] WERE:
38 BP 47-S/O BRITISH FORCES ARABIAN PENINSULA 30 NOV 60
38 BP 60-S/O MALTA 31 OCT 65
38 BP 80-S/O KENYA CENSUS RETURN 31 OCT 64
38 BP 92-S/O FAR EAST LAND FORCES CENSUS RETURN 31 OCT 64
39 BP 02-S/O RUDDINGTON 15 MAY 63
39 BP 95-S/O FAR EAST LAND FORCES CENSUS RETURN 30 JUNE 64
41 BP 70-S/O EAST AFRICA CENSUS RETURN 31 MARCH 64
41 BP 91-S/O MALTA CENSUS RETURN 28 FEB 63
42 BP 09-S/O RUDDINGTON 26 AUG 63
THIS INDICATES THAT ALL THESE VEHICLES WERE ALLOCATED TO SAME UNIT ON 8
NOV 54. THE UNIT WAS LATER POSTED OVERSEAS; POSSIBLY MIDDLE EAST LAND
FORCES AS YOU HAVE FOUND DESERT COLOUR ON YOUR VEHICLE.
AS TIME WENT ON, THE LAND ROVERS WERE TRANSFERRED TO OTHER UNITS AND
THEATRES OF OPERATION.
YOURS AND TWO OTHERS RETURNED TO THE UK.
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