ArtistsRifles Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 I agree with what andy says, everyone wishes to have there favorte Tank restored and running but in the real world it costs alot more than we can affored. May be one day it will happen. Personaly I would like to see a British WW1 tank restored to a running example but that will not happen.Al For a WW1 tank - I suspect what with metal fatigue etc. it would be easier/more cost effective to build one from scratch. This is really interesting technology, I myself am just finishing a Software Engineering Degree and have seen this sort of technology at work. Also an interesting case-study. Cheers, Joel If you are interested in how that scanning process works try having a word with the Virtual manufacturing department of the Ford Motor Company Joel. We used that to make precise 3D layouts of the European assembly plans about 5 years ago. Took around a month to scan each plant running 24 x7 and that included all the pipework and light fittings, not just walls and stanchions. The components of a gearbox or even an entire tank interior would be comparatively easy compared to that job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tank Museum Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 Hello Neil, Thanks for the information - I will pass that to our curator on Monday. Many Thanks, Joel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingo 44 Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 (edited) Sorry Dingo - just removed your post for legal reasons. Drop me a PM if you have any worries. Best wishes, Jack. Edited April 17, 2011 by Jack Legal Reasons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earlymb Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 I know of that affair, but I think it is not really relevant here other than what original parts were scanned for reproduction. If they made a few for themselves it would be possible to make more for other Tiger II operators. Maybe the Tank Museum can make a deal with the Wheatcroft Collection if it turns out they have scanned parts the museum also needs for a restoration to running condition. Greetz David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tank Museum Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 Hello Dingo, I believe that "earlymb" simply wanted to highlight the usage of the 3D scanning technology that shows promise in the area of backwards engineering rare parts. Edit: Beaten too it by EarlyMB. Many Thanks, Joel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajmac Posted April 18, 2011 Author Share Posted April 18, 2011 Would the Kingtiger at La Gleize offer any drive train components, or is it internally stripped / damaged? Those Swiss photos of the restoration are very interesting, thanks for the link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maurice Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Army Museum in Münster asked already the same question to La Gleize couple of years ago , answer was it stays as is . tja , right they should not have left it behind in 44 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 People have long memories.....! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingo 44 Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Sorry Dingo - just removed your post for legal reasons. Drop me a PM if you have any worries. Best wishes, Jack. I think it is important for collectors, museum staff etc to be aware that this actually happened. Someone</SPAN> stole very rare and valuable items from a state museum in order to enrich himself and to help a private collector to get items almost impossible to get hold of. Knowing</SPAN> about this incident can hopefully prevent other museums or collectors experiencing similar - or am I wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajmac Posted April 20, 2011 Author Share Posted April 20, 2011 It was already discussed at some length on HMVF when it was 'in the news' a few months back. My main worry is that in the future museums may be even more reluctant to lend items to collectors for fear of them going missing or loosing valuable parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pzkpfw-e Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 (edited) Edit: As Jack said, for legal reasons he doesn't want this news being discussed on the Forums. Best Wishes, Joel Edited April 20, 2011 by The Tank Museum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tank Museum Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 And we are back on topic - please no more talk of Tiger Engines - its not relevant to this thread and for legal reasons Jack isn't keen on it being discussed on these forums. Many Thanks, Joel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajmac Posted April 20, 2011 Author Share Posted April 20, 2011 Joel, What is the history behind the two KingTigers at the museum? The last time I visited in the early 90's only the Porsche turret tank was present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tank Museum Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 (edited) No problems - in-fact I was just reading a transcript of a very interesting talk carried out by David Fletcher, the Tank Museums Historian. The Henschel Turreted Version: It served with the 101st SS Heavy Tank Battalion east of the Seine, commanded by one Sepp Franzel. On the 29th of 30th of August 1944 the Tank suffered track damage; the crew tried to manoeuvre it but succeeded only in ruining the gearbox. They abandoned it and it was then spotted by SGT Roberts of the 23rd Hussars in a Sherman: not knowing that it was no threat, he his its right hand side with three shots whose damage is still quite evident. The hulk remained there for a year until it was retrieved by a REME detachment. It spent some time at RMCS Shrivernham but since its arrival at Bovington it has suffered further minor damage but enthusiasts who collect Zimmerit. The Porshe Turreted Version: Our exhibit was in service with Heeres Waffenprufungamt (Army Ordnance Testing Department), Sennelager, Germany This Konigstiger is the second vehicle of the trials series of three and has the Porsche/Krupp designed turret which was replaced after the first fifty production models by the improved Henschel design. It was accepted for trials at Sennelager in January 1944 and was not intended to issue to the troops. It was discovered at Sennelager at the end of the war and sent to the School of Tank Technology. Many Thanks, Joel Edited April 20, 2011 by The Tank Museum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajmac Posted April 21, 2011 Author Share Posted April 21, 2011 Thanks for that, I really am going to plan a visit, a work colleage took a long weekend in Dorset just a week ago and said the Tank Museum was tremendus, that is coming from someone who has no real interests in that kind of thing. Is the Henschel KingTiger totally stripped internally when the engine and gearbox were removed or is it largely untouched? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlienFTM Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 The Henschel Turreted Version: They abandoned it and it was then spotted by SGT Roberts of the 23rd Hussars in a Sherman: not knowing that it was no threat, he his its right hand side with three shots whose damage is still quite evident. Would you believe I think I may have just read an account of this action in the acclaimed "The Black Bull From Normandy to the Baltic with the 11th Armoured Division" by Patrick Delaforce which coincidentally I bought at Bovvy a couple of weeks ago. http://www.pen-and-sword.co.uk/?product_id=2501 Actually come to think of it, it may have been another action about the same time involving my old regiment 15th/19th Hussars who were also 11 Armd Div, but because I am at work I cannot verify either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 Would the Kingtiger at La Gleize offer any drive train components, or is it internally stripped / damaged? Those Swiss photos of the restoration are very interesting, thanks for the link. I seen it 2 years ago. I got under the engine bay to find it leaking oil and some internal damage. Maybe someone tried to damage / ruin the engine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armygrognard Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Remember both the Americans and the Russians think they won the war without help, so both might think they "deserve" a running Tiger in their museums? jch Sad but true, though only amongst the morons. I was happy to see WWII history from the Brit perspective while watching Sky while stationed in Germany. I'm happy to include myself among the enlightened especially since my father was on an LST that landed Canucks on the beach at Normandy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 I seen it 2 years ago.I got under the engine bay to find it leaking oil and some internal damage. Maybe someone tried to damage / ruin the engine? As the damage peels outwards it looks as though the engine decided to eject an internal component! Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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