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Sherman 105mm restoration project

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This is our next major rebuild project .

It is the M4(105) That was at the poteau museum for some years then went to guy gillis in belguim we bought back in july.

overall she is pretty complete internally but running gear requires alot of attention and the engine is in a state as all the starter, magnetos etc have been removed with use of a hammmer (not by us i should mention)thus smashing all front casings.

The aim is to start work soon as and hopefully have her somewhere near by next xmas spare and other projects permitting.

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Great project, do you have the serial numbers to track down the manufacturing date?

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Very nice project you got there, the 105mm are nice and rare, have you got any photos of the inside for us?

 

Buster

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Buster,

i have photos of the inside but i will have to down size them as i cant seem to upload them to the forum.

Also if someone doesnt beat me to it i'll post the serial number tomorrow as i cant find where i've wrote it down

 

iain

 

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You're a glutton for punishment, Iain!

 

Andy

Sure am Andy plenty of work lined up already this year and theres more projects in the pipeline but cant say anything yet;)

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looks like it's had a bit of a fire by the road wheels and interior did the engine survive ok or was that cooked aswell?

 

good luck with the resto

 

eddy

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looks like it's had a bit of a fire by the road wheels and interior did the engine survive ok or was that cooked aswell?

 

good luck with the resto

 

eddy

cheers Eddy

The fire never got that hot inside so engine isnt melted but as i said before other damage may right off that unit wont know full extend until tomorrow when we grind weld of engine decks and lift engine out .

the roadwheels are cooked apparently but not sure of truth but the tank was used on a dutch range as a petrol bomb target

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bit of building up with the tig followed by a spot of grinding and it'll be reet, seriously though i hope you get lucky with the engine.

 

eddy

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the roadwheels are cooked apparently but not sure of truth but the tank was used on a dutch range as a petrol bomb target

 

Sharky,

 

Great to see this M4(105) back!

 

Many Sherman tanks were used as Molotov cocktail training aids on Dutch ranges. Because of environmental concerns they were all removed 25 - 30 years ago. This one was deemed not recoverable, which is why it initially survived the so-called "Tank Slag" (tank battle), the clean up of the ranges.

 

At some point in time it was going to be recovered still and sent off for scrap, but together with a RNLA Major I secured its future in the early 1990s. At that time "USA 30104238" was still barely visible on its side. We found out it was one of 30 M4(105) Shermans supplied to the Netherlands by the USA through MDAP from 1951 onwards, out of a total of about 250.

 

Later it was traded to a group of restorers in exchange for parts and restoration work on an M10 w/17-pdr. This group sold it to the museum in Belgium (run by a Dutchman) and the rest you know.

 

Here is hoping it will be fully restored, as even though this Sherman was burned, it has otherwise little damage and should restore nicely.

 

Keep up the good work!

 

Regards,

Hanno

 

Ref. http://web.inter.nl.net/users/spoelstra/g104/nl.htm

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Sharky,

 

Great to see this M4(105) back!

 

Many Sherman tanks were used as Molotov cocktail training aids on Dutch ranges. Because of environmental concerns they were all removed 25 - 30 years ago. This one was deemed not recoverable, which is why it initially survived the so-called "Tank Slag" (tank battle), the clean up of the ranges.

 

At some point in time it was going to be recovered still and sent off for scrap, but together with a RNLA Major I secured its future in the early 1990s. At that time "USA 30104238" was still barely visible on its side. We found out it was one of 30 M4(105) Shermans supplied to the Netherlands by the USA through MDAP from 1951 onwards, out of a total of about 250.

 

Later it was traded to a group of restorers in exchange for parts and restoration work on an M10 w/17-pdr. This group sold it to the museum in Belgium (run by a Dutchman) and the rest you know.

 

Here is hoping it will be fully restored, as even though this Sherman was burned, it has otherwise little damage and should restore nicely.

 

Keep up the good work!

 

Regards,

Hanno

 

Ref. http://web.inter.nl.net/users/spoelstra/g104/nl.htm

 

many thanks for that imfo hanno any more ie location of ranges etc would be great.

i will keep posting progress as and when it happens

Iain

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Great project, do you have the serial numbers to track down the manufacturing date?

off the top of my head

67556 or 57556 think its the first one

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Congratulations on purchasing this sherman

It seems fairly complete and in good condition .:-)

I can't wait to see picture about the engine

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Sharky

 

The serial should be 57556, RN 30104238, so I was told by Guy Gilles last year. Its great to know she did find a good home en will be restored. Keep up the good work.

 

Michel

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Congratulations on purchasing this sherman

It seems fairly complete and in good condition .:-)

I can't wait to see picture about the engine

 

We lifted the engine(Continental R975 -C4) out today . it took half an hour to dig thru broken glass to find front eng mounts . the clutch, fans and out put flange are all missing and rear of engine is in a state .A strip down will reveal if anything else is salvagable.

Leads on a R975 engine for sale or spares would be most appreceated.

 

 

photos havent uploaded in right order.

cheers

Iain

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i see what you mean about it being a petrol bomb target, not a nice place to work that engine compartment, at least the parts are all there and petrol doesn't burn for long so you might get lucky with what can be salvaged.

 

good luck

 

eddy

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the foot and a half of glass and oily petrol residue (consistency of treakle) has preserved the oil tanks at the bottom where you would expect them to rot out but the petrol has burnt wiring and any soft hose beyond salvage.

Heres some shots of the fighting compartment

 

 

turret basket

 

drivers side

 

pushing her back into shed with fv432

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Poor engine !

But the rest of the tank is complete .

For me it's an very interesting sherman tank restore project .

 

For a new engine , open you eyes , same me :D or have good friends :angel:

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eddy8men

and petrol doesn't burn for long so you might get lucky with what can be salvaged.

 

petrol bombs -mixed by the military aren't like those used in salford:cheesy: -they almost always have a heavy oil content often diesel -even palm oil which makes the fire stick and burn longer- this seems to be confirmed by the partially melted balckened glass and the oily residue.

 

Steve

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Hey Sharky

Can I have your BV202 so you can have room to store your 105.

Ta

Jon

Ps: is it a private collection or is it open for viewing?

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Hey Sharky

Can I have your BV202 so you can have room to store your 105.

Ta

Jon

Ps: is it a private collection or is it open for viewing?

 

sounds a good idea should i drop it up to you or will you collect ?:laugh:

 

We are an open collection as much as people are welcome to look round on weekends when we run customers as the site is open then, otherwise its a case of ask and i'll clear it with the boss for any other day.

We are hoping to set up a museum eventually but its a slow process and you to have a certain amount of exhibits of your own before people will then offer us things on loan ,saying that we do have a few donated and loaned items.

 

No further work on the sherman until we finish an M8 we are half wat thru then full steam ahead .

 

iain

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