Lord Burley Posted October 11, 2010 Share Posted October 11, 2010 Some may have seen that i have put the 101 up for sale in the classifieds.The idea was at some point to get a RB44 next year. That was until today when in conversation with Nick Johns,and something that had totally slipped my mind. He reminded me. That an RB44 would not comply with the next stage of the LEZ.Now going through the exemptions on the TFL website. It says military vehicles registered in GB are exempt. It seems a bit vague. As i would have thought it should have read. "Vehicles operated by the crown". Could this be a loop hole in which i could use one??. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rambo1969 Posted October 11, 2010 Share Posted October 11, 2010 Some may have seen that i have put the 101 up for sale in the classifieds.The idea was at some point to get a RB44 next year. That was until today when in conversation with Nick Johns,and something that had totally slipped my mind. He reminded me. That an RB44 would not comply with the next stage of the LEZ.Now going through the exemptions on the TFL website. It says military vehicles registered in GB are exempt. It seems a bit vague. As i would have thought it should have read. "Vehicles operated by the crown". Could this be a loop hole in which i could use one??. No loophole i'm afraid. TFL's argument would be that a RB44 is only a military vehcile when it's in service. Mark my words, the london LEZ is just a test to see if the cameras work, when the cameras work, expect london wide congestion charging! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Johns Posted October 11, 2010 Share Posted October 11, 2010 (edited) Some may have seen that i have put the 101 up for sale in the classifieds.The idea was at some point to get a RB44 next year. I was reminded. That an RB44 would not comply with the next stage of the LEZ.Now. It says military vehicles registered in GB are exempt. It seems a bit vague. . Could this be a loop hole in which i could use one??. No chance...the exemption applies to HM & other foreign forces serving mv's !! Mark, you need to check with some of the companies that convert vehicles to see if the Perkins phaser engine can be made to be Euro 4 complient, the regs at present require vehicle over 3.5t gw to be Euro 3 complient but this changes in Jan 2012 to Euro 4 Alas there are no loopholes or exemptions....well, apart from heaving out the Perkins lump and put a big block Chevy V8 gas guzzler in ! There has been an amendment to allow motor caravans exempt if they are below 2.5 tons unladen but that won't help an RB Edited October 11, 2010 by Nick Johns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted October 11, 2010 Share Posted October 11, 2010 (edited) http://www.fta.co.uk/export/sites/fta/_galleries/downloads/low_emission_zone/lez_compliance_guide.pdf Exemptions Although few in number and unlikely to apply to the majority of operators, there are some exemptions to the LEZ. These vehicles can be driven within the zone without meeting the LEZ emissions standards or paying a daily charge. Where no action is required by operator • Small vans under 1.205t unladen weight. Not ‘technically’ exempt – just not included, as are cars and motorcycles • Historic vehicles (those built before 1 January 1973) • Military vehicles registered in Great Britain according to the following specification as stated in TfL’s scheme order: – any vehicle being used on a road by an individual for the time being subject to the orders of a member of the armed forces of the Crown, or to the instructions of an official of the Ministry of Defence (MOD) – TfL is satisfied on the application of the MOD that it is a vehicle used for naval, military or air force purposes – the vehicle is not registered under the Vehicle and Excise Duty Act 1994 • Foreign registered military vehicles according to the following specification as stated in TfL’s scheme order: – any vehicle that TfL is satisfied is used for naval, military or air force purposes and not registered under the 1994 act, while it is being used on a road or by a member of a visiting force or a member of a headquarters or organisation You can check compliance here https://lowemissionzone.tfl.gov.uk/b/pb/lezComplianceProvideVRM.faces Edited October 11, 2010 by Marmite!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Burley Posted October 11, 2010 Author Share Posted October 11, 2010 Thats cleared that up then. Time for an LS1 conversion methinks. The whole situation gives credance to the word going around at this years L2B. That it will be the last one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Burley Posted October 11, 2010 Author Share Posted October 11, 2010 No chance...the exemption applies to HM & other foreign forces serving mv's !! Mark, you need to check with some of the companies that convert vehicles to see if the Perkins phaser engine can be made to be Euro 4 complient, it may be possible but will be expensive There has been an amendment to allow motor caravans exempt if they are below 2.5 tons unladen but that won't help an RB The cheapest costs are around £4000.We have had quite a few done at work that amount to £8000 onthe bigger Scania,s. To be honest anything over £2000 in conversion costs is not viable for me. Seeing that it will only be used for a few shows a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin craig Posted October 11, 2010 Share Posted October 11, 2010 Hmmmm, so after 2 years usage what will you sell the RB 44 for? How old will it be then? R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtistsRifles Posted October 11, 2010 Share Posted October 11, 2010 Way things are going - in a few years we will be legislated off the roads.... :cry: :cry: :cry: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Burley Posted October 11, 2010 Author Share Posted October 11, 2010 Well. By the looks of it. An RB44 wont be getting any usage. May have to pull the 101 from the classifieds. The RB44 would have been an ideal replacement for the 101. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markheliops Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 I suggest you move out of the LEZ mark - Better in the long run. Markheliops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtistsRifles Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 I suggest you move out of the LEZ mark - Better in the long run. Markheliops It will expand to follow mate - anything related to stealth taxation always foes.... Give it a few years and you'll enter the LEZ at Dover when you exit the ferry!! Neil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Burley Posted October 12, 2010 Author Share Posted October 12, 2010 Well spent a few hours today trying to get some sense from TFL. They seem very vague as to what,when, and the criteria will actually be whan the new legislation comes in. Just another one to throw out to you. In the list of exemptions. it states forestry and agricultral use. Now i dont know if many of you are aware. But most of these are m.o.t and plating exempt. If that were the case and i had something that was m.o.t and plating exempt. I wonder if that would make the list of exemptions??. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Johns Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Well spent a few hours today trying to get some sense from TFL. They seem very vague as to what,when, and the criteria will actually be whan the new legislation comes in. Just another one to throw out to you. In the list of exemptions. it states forestry and agricultral use. Now i dont know if many of you are aware. But most of these are m.o.t and plating exempt. If that were the case and i had something that was m.o.t and plating exempt. I wonder if that would make the list of exemptions??. In one word..NO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Well spent a few hours today trying to get some sense from TFL. They seem very vague as to what,when, and the criteria will actually be whan the new legislation comes in. Just another one to throw out to you. In the list of exemptions. it states forestry and agricultral use. Now i dont know if many of you are aware. But most of these are m.o.t and plating exempt. If that were the case and i had something that was m.o.t and plating exempt. I wonder if that would make the list of exemptions??. Clearly states exemptions for other vehicles.. Vehicles not constructed or adapted for general use on roads but which are allowed to drive on the highway. TfL will regard commercial vehicles eligible to utilise red diesel as exempt from the LEZ except for HMRC categories of ‘snow clearing machines’ and ‘road gritters’ which are designed to travel on roads and thus will be subject to the LEZ requirements The following are exempt: – unlicensed vehicles not used on public roads – tractors – light agricultural vehicles – agricultural material handlers and agricultural engines – agricultural processing vehicles – vehicles used between different parts of the land – mowing machines – mobile cranes, mobile pumping machines (including concrete pumps) – digging machines – work trucks – road rollers – a road surfacing vehicle – tar sprayers i TfL has used DVLA data to identify these vehicles and they should therefore be listed on TfL’s Compliance Register as exempt (see p12 for further details). However, it is advisable to check that TfL has the correct vehicle details by using TfL’s online compliance checker (www.tfl.gov.uk ). In the event that the categorisation of a vehicle is wrong, you should contact the TfL LEZ call centre on 0845 607 0009 and you may need to complete a LEZ registration form (see p12 for further details on registration). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Way things are going - in a few years we will be legislated off the roads.... :cry: :cry: :cry: Luckily at the moment "Historic" trumps most legislation ... Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Try living where I do. In...out... in ..out, shake it all about. Legal for two hundred yards ,illegal for two hundred yards.. Complete and total !"£$££"&* up the whole thinmg! :banghead: My Disco, 200tdi with windows in the back goes where it want, Friends Disco 300tdi with out windows, can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tugger Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 I love the idea though that a delivery company could in theory buy a fleet of REO multifuel trucks, pay no road fund licence, theoretically pay no fuel costs (if there was enough mixed fuel being disposed of) and best of all, 'wizz' around London paying no LEZ charge whilst billowing out plumes of smoke. :nut: :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 I love the idea though that a delivery company could in theory buy a fleet of REO multifuel trucks, pay no road fund licence, theoretically pay no fuel costs (if there was enough mixed fuel being disposed of) and best of all, 'wizz' around London paying no LEZ charge whilst billowing out plumes of smoke.:nut: :-D If they were using commercially they would be paying road tax.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 I have just e mailed TfL a question on the Discovery Commercial . Let's see what answer they come with with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 I have just e mailed TfL a question on the Discovery Commercial . Let's see what answer they come with with. If you just put a reg number of any vehicle in the checker it will tell you it's status now & in the future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Can't find checker. Will look again. Stupid descions from central based people. Especially as I'm in KENT!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Can't find checker. Will look again. Stupid descions from central based people. Especially as I'm in KENT!! The link is in post 4.. here it is again https://lowemissionzone.tfl.gov.uk/b/pb/lezComplianceProvideVRM.faces Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 (edited) Found it! Just pump LEZ registration checker into search engine. So now my Disco is coming up 'Not subject to the emission zone'. The Dodge is coming up 'Exempt from emission zone'. Knowing how TfL weasel words I am wondering about the diffrences. Was going to comment on database used, decided blood pressure and Moderators might not like it. Please note: In some instances the compliance checker may not currently provide the correct compliance status of your vehicle. You can check your vehicle status using the compliance flowchart. Edited October 13, 2010 by Tony B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Found it! Just pump LEZ registration checker into search engine. So now my Disco is coming up 'Not subject to the emission zone'. The Dodge is coming up 'Exempt from emission zone'. Knowing how TfL weasel words I am wondering about the diffrences. One is on the list of exempt vehicle types, the other is not subject to the LEZ due to the fact that it's LEZ compliant... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Be cynical, I'll add 'At the moment'.:-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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