eddy8men Posted May 17, 2010 Author Share Posted May 17, 2010 any leads on parts you can give me would be welcome and your thoughts on a dilema i'm facing with regard to authenticity versus practicality, ie :- do i put a flathead v8 petrol engine in or go for a ford deisel as a few wise old hands have suggested ? 2 more pics to follow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbo Posted May 17, 2010 Share Posted May 17, 2010 any leads on parts you can give me would be welcome and your thoughts on a dilema i'm facing with regard to authenticity versus practicality, ie :- do i put a flathead v8 petrol engine in or go for a ford deisel as a few wise old hands have suggested ?[ATTACH=CONFIG]27260[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]27258[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]27257[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]27261[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]27259[/ATTACH] 2 more pics to follow Nice pics - as for the motor this will surely be known for evermore as the 'heliops dilemma' - whatever you do someone will probably moan so just be true to your own principles and you can't go far wrong..! Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy8men Posted May 17, 2010 Author Share Posted May 17, 2010 that's it fella's, now you know as much about the condition of the carrier as me, i'm looking forward to getting my hands on it, already sorted out the blasting and priming and spoke to a guy today that told me i could have dabs on a good g/box when he remembers were he put it,as far as i can make out the steering shaft, bevel box and wheel are gonna be the tricky bits to find but to be honest i'm quite enjoying searching around for parts and meeting some great blokes along the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy8men Posted May 17, 2010 Author Share Posted May 17, 2010 hi john thanks for the offer of transportation, i had a mental picture of my little carrier all on its own on the back of your het rig now that would be a definition of overkill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajmac Posted May 17, 2010 Share Posted May 17, 2010 (edited) Looks like a good one Eddy. Compaired to what I saw today yours just needs a spit and polish! There were three as found Flathead V8 engines and ford gearboxes in touching distance, all were destined to be rebuilt for specific carriers so not one available for yours I'm afraid.... apparently they are not THAT hard to locate. Edited May 17, 2010 by ajmac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferrettkitt Posted May 17, 2010 Share Posted May 17, 2010 that's it fella's, now you know as much about the condition of the carrier as me, i'm looking forward to getting my hands on it, already sorted out the blasting and priming and spoke to a guy today that told me i could have dabs on a good g/box when he remembers were he put it,as far as i can make out the steering shaft, bevel box and wheel are gonna be the tricky bits to find but to be honest i'm quite enjoying searching around for parts and meeting some great blokes along the way. [ATTACH=CONFIG]27263[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]27262[/ATTACH] Thats half the fun meeting people, the MV world is a great place to be it beats sitting in front of the TV cutting you're throat watching Soaps. Do steering wheels cross over into civvy street equivalents? Personally I would go down the road off seeing what comes up in regards to the engine be it a ford petrol or a diesel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferrettkitt Posted May 17, 2010 Share Posted May 17, 2010 Should you need any help with transportation once you get it back let me know, I also can recommend a very good local sandblaster in Marple. (Where I had the M578 done)John. He wanted to charge me £800 for blasting my Ferret it was cheaper to send it to Wigan and back. He shot both his feet off with that quote with me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy8men Posted May 17, 2010 Author Share Posted May 17, 2010 thanks alistair just to make you jealous i sat in a restored t16 today and i liked it, bit more room than a bren. this engine conundrum is gonna vex me, deisel v petrol i might chuck a deisel in and tell everyone it's a flathead what do you think. eddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy8men Posted May 17, 2010 Author Share Posted May 17, 2010 hi andy i'll give you a shout when it arrives, come over and have a mooch, with regard to blasting i spoke to bob grundy on saturday and he reccomended a bloke called jack who works at his yard, (if you read this bob thanks for your time and advise,much appreciated and i hope you got the tiling done) i think he'll prime it for me as well, i can't remember the price but i thought it was very reasonable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogmaner Posted May 17, 2010 Share Posted May 17, 2010 would v8 diesel fit te space best of both ,v8 sound with diesel econimy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted May 17, 2010 Share Posted May 17, 2010 Eddy, With the amount of miles you are likely to do, I would stick to using a flathead V8, it will keep the authenticity and value up if and when you eventualy pass it on. No diesel will ever sound like one of the old Ford V8 engines and these run so smooth. Thats my thoughts for what they are worth. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philliphastings Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 What a great project ! I am restoring (very slowly I might add) the Mk1 Scout Carrier here in Western Australia. I note the earlier posted comments regarding parts in Australia. Although the remains of a few universals have turned up in the Eastern states, there seems to be almost nothing over this side of the country. As an example I have been searching for a CAV lighting and ignition swith box for two or three years and only recently obtained one - from the UK ! Good luck with your restoration Cheers Phill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bedford Boys Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 I wouldn't even consider any other engine for a carrier. It has to be the Flathead V8. There is nothing like the sound of a flathead V8 under load. They're not THAT bad on gas either, if you really want something economical buy a toyota prius and paint it green. :cool2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 I wouldn't even consider any other engine for a carrier. It has to be the Flathead V8. There is nothing like the sound of a flathead V8 under load. They're not THAT bad on gas either, if you really want something economical buy a toyota prius and paint it green. :cool2: What he said! Eddy, how could you even consider it...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajmac Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 (edited) I'm sure you didn't mean that....did you? I'd agree with upgrades to increase reliability and make it easier to live with, but it's got to be basically original. I'd upgrade to 12v, check out the possibility of using the existing Dynamo casing for an Alternator (I bet you can get those off the shelf in the US). A high torque starter motor may be a good investment. Oh I presume a Flathead has points so I wouldn't think twice about putting in a transister replecement - I hate Bast%%d points! It all depends on how original you want it to be. I am not averse to using metric fasteners and stainless where I fancy but a hell of a lot of people would go up the wall, especially some of my vintage vehicle friends. At the end of the day it's yours - do whatever you like, it's your democratic right:D Edited May 18, 2010 by ajmac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 I'm sure you didn't mean that....did you? I'd agree with upgrades to increase reliability and make it easier to live with, but it's got to be basically original. I'd upgrade to 12v, check out the possibility of using the existing Dynamo casing for an Alternator (I bet you can get those off the shelf in the US). A high torque starter motor may be a good investment. Oh I presume a Flathead has points so I wouldn't think twice about putting in a transister replecement - I hate Bast%%d points! It all depends on how original you want it to be. I am not averse to using metric fasteners and stainless where I fancy but a hell of a lot of people would go up the wall, especially some of my vintage vehicle friends. At the end of the day it's yours - do whatever you like, it's your democratic right:D I thought we all wanted them to be as original as possible within reason. There is no need to use metric fasteners when the correct ones are available. Similarly 'modernising' the electrics is not necessary. If maintained properly, the original standard is perfectly adequate. There are always compromises to be made, some enforced by the modern world but in terms of restoration, surely original is best and something we should all aim for? As you say, it is the owners right to do whatever they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo578 Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 Original is best -everything fits together without un necessary modification, however it depends on whats available, if for example you are having to sit around for a motor to turn up it might be an idea to fit a modern motor as a temporary fix- however its almost certain that start a conversion and a flathead will turn up. remember the important thing is to have fun Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodge Deep Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 You're probably never far from a flathead lump amongst the hot rod fraternity I can see the appeal of better fuel consumption but its nice to see the real deal under the cowl... and you'd get better "smiles per gallon" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy8men Posted May 18, 2010 Author Share Posted May 18, 2010 guys thanks for the advice but i'm no adrian when it comes to restoration, never mind metric or imperial fasteners i was thinking a tube of no nails and a bit of decorators caulk to hide the rough edges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 guys thanks for the advice but i'm no adrian when it comes to restoration, never mind metric or imperial fasteners i was thinking a tube of no nails and a bit of decorators caulk to hide the rough edges. Now I know you're taking the p**s! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajmac Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 In terms of economics I'd consider doing an LPG conversion on an UC, it would be removable with no determent to the vehicle and while fitted a 90 litre tank would easily fit in one of the compartments either side of the engine, could easily be disguised to look like luggage. However you would only ever bother if you were intending to do a hell of a lot of miles.... in a UC you would have to be unhinged:-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo578 Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 (edited) ajmac .........and while fitted a 90 litre tank would easily fit in one of the compartments either side of the engine, could easily be disguised to look like luggage. If it's a Universal the tank could always be disguised as Wasp conversion. Also you were correctin saying that T16 were used by the Canadians in Europe, as additions to normal Universal inventory for towing in place of the Loyd carrier and for 3inch mortar and radio carriers, I believe the British used them as Loyd replacements from round the time of the Rhine crossing. Steve Edited May 18, 2010 by steveo578 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy8men Posted May 18, 2010 Author Share Posted May 18, 2010 hi fella's i thought i might catch out a few ranters with the bit about no nails and caulk, i'll have to be more subtle next time. let's not worry about the engine for now it's the steering i want to sort out as that's the one bit i think i'll struggle on and i'd like to have all the big bits together and ready to go on when it arrives in the uk, my goal is to get it running and driving within a month so i can get a bit of fun out of it and then do what i'd consider as a rolling restoration, so any leads on steering assemblies ? any carriers on the ranges that i might get the range officer to part with :cool2: have a think for me, i'm sure between all the people that read and post on this forum that there are parts for just about every vehicle ever built, someone will have it. cheers eddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo578 Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 Hi Eddy I've never seen even a trace of a Universal -or any other carrier for that matter on a range, the only one that ever popped up was a prototype Cavalry carrier on Porton Down many years ago and it has disappeared. There were some near falingbostel -ex German Border Police but they were scrapped in the 1990s. Universals are to light to survive on ranges and were too easily scrapped an too easy to convert to civilian uses -probably what saved yours it has all the appearance of a forestry skidder. I'm sure there will be steering assemblies knocking around somewhere. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferrettkitt Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 hi fella'si thought i might catch out a few ranters with the bit about no nails and caulk, i'll have to be more subtle next time. let's not worry about the engine for now it's the steering i want to sort out as that's the one bit i think i'll struggle on and i'd like to have all the big bits together and ready to go on when it arrives in the uk, my goal is to get it running and driving within a month so i can get a bit of fun out of it and then do what i'd consider as a rolling restoration, so any leads on steering assemblies ? any carriers on the ranges that i might get the range officer to part with :cool2: have a think for me, i'm sure between all the people that read and post on this forum that there are parts for just about every vehicle ever built, someone will have it. cheers eddy Running and driving in a month I like you're optimism! Lol Have you put an ad on Milweb asking for bits? If you put it on Milweb I think the ad is eventually listed in Classic Military Vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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