Jessie The Jeep Posted January 13, 2010 Author Share Posted January 13, 2010 They look like the foam tyre model aircraft wheels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianscales Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 They look like the foam tyre model aircraft wheels. They are, they need grooves cutting in them and the centres removing to put new hubs in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted angus Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 It is my understanding that there is no difference in length (40ft) between the 3 & 5 Ton versions, the 3 Ton version has 3 'crossed' sections before the wheel, where as the 5 Ton has 3 and a half, but, the 'crossed' sections on the 5 Ton version are at a more acute angle. That being said there were many variants made, but to my knowledge these involved bodies rather than length. The overall length issue (inc prime mover) is still somewhat debatable as Taskers original poster depicts a 5 Ton variant with a Spitfire onboard being pulled by an S Type Bedford with '60 Feet Long' boards on !!! This would make the distance from bumper to 5th wheel area of the S type approx 20ft !! 1,862 3 Ton & 1,975 5 Ton versions were in operation by the end of the 2nd WW, to say the figures are about the same there's very few examples of the 3 Ton left. The old Newark Air Museum one was 3 Ton East Kirby is 5 Ton Yorkshire Air Museum is 5Ton Hendon is 5 Ton Duxford is 5 Ton Eden Camp is 5 Ton 2MT (Wittering, Historic Fleet) is 5 Ton .......Oh, and the one used in 'Reach for the Sky' was 5 Ton I might get round to finishing the 1/15th scale model I started ages ago !! [ATTACH=CONFIG]21032[/ATTACH] Ian Hi Ian, just been looking at a document re Taskers published post WW2 it intimates that both trailers were the same length as it says " although the warning boards normally said 60ft , irrespective of tractor and trailer combination, the Queen Mary unit was never more than 55ft long. Fantastic model watch out for turmites though !! that desrves a nice glass case. Regards TED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianscales Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Thanks Ted, always interested in being enlightened re: QM Trailers (Please mail info if you can) Re: The model, it's slow going, but with fingers the size of most peoples hands it was always going to be a long job !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianscales Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Incidentally if anyone has a copy of the AP 2782A, page entry, for "Tasker 5 Ton, Long Low Loading Semi-Trailer" I would be most grateful of a copy But alas, as this thread is going, I suspect no one has :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted angus Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 Incidentally if anyone has a copy of the AP 2782A, page entry, for "Tasker 5 Ton, Long Low Loading Semi-Trailer" I would be most grateful of a copy But alas, as this thread is going, I suspect no one has :-( I wish !!!! I have the later 10 ton which came in 2 lengths , and a choice of widths. when you send me a job card to get your current build into the GEF paintshop I will send you a fantastic plan for the later 10 ton version !!! TED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fyll Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 That's a great model Ian. I plan to do mine in small scale. Thanks for reiterating my plea for the AP 2782A, page entry concerning the "Tasker 5 Ton, Long Low Loading Semi-Trailer", that or somebody taking a tape measure to one of the museum exhibits would definitively settle the length issue. Ted, I'd be interested in that plan you mentioned too. Fyll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianscales Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 Thanks Fyll. I have all the measurements from the 5 Ton example at Yorkshire Air Museum (Taken to enable model build) and can confirm that the overall length is 40 feet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fyll Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 Many thanks for that confirmation Ian! It's just what I had been looking for! Cheers Fyll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les freathy Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 Ian, in my set of APs 2782 in trailer section item 10 it states Taskers 5 ton semi trailer long low loader but its not a Queen Mary but a 16 wheel flat fuselarge trailer shown with a front bogie attached Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianscales Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Ian, in my set of APs 2782 in trailer section item 10 it states Taskers 5 ton semi trailer long low loader but its not a Queen Mary but a 16 wheel flat fuselarge trailer shown with a front bogie attached Oh, the plot thickens !! I wonder why, because the numbers produced are about the same as the 3 Ton version so it's not likely that they would have just left it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted angus Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Ian, in my set of APs 2782 in trailer section item 10 it states Taskers 5 ton semi trailer long low loader but its not a Queen Mary but a 16 wheel flat fuselarge trailer shown with a front bogie attached Hi Les if its the index that quotes item 10 as being a 5 ton QM but the actual leaf is different then this sounds like a replacement item 10 leaf was issued but the AP custodian failed to amend the index with the replacement item's correct title. Just a thought mate . I have searched everywhere but cannot find a leaf on the 5 ton. Bart Vandeveen in his Kalidascope of Bedford vehicles states; the 5 ton is dimensionally very similar to the 3 ton version, it is 6 inches wider, had a slight narrowing of the internal wheel arch dimension to accomadate the larger tyres 13.50 x 20 viz 10.50 x 20. Gents Bart also notes there was a 3 ton short low loader; any clues ?? On a slightly different tack there was a thread on HMVF about a trailer lying derelict and at some point pictures of the fuselage trailer you mention were posted, I spent ages last night searching for that thread can anyone help a senile olde man in his hour of need please !!! regards from soggy freezing Scotland TED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianscales Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Ted, you might be thinking of 'RAFMTD' ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianscales Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 This one?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted angus Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Hi Ian no the thread I am thinking of was about full trailer not a semi. tearing my hair out mind not much to loose !! These threads about the RAF stuff are great, Come what may I check this forum and your site every day, pure noastalgia 11 TTFN TED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianscales Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 I check this forum and your site every day, pure noastalgia Ha Ha!! You never know what's coming in the mail next, like the last batch of 2MT pics :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fyll Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 Ted you just dropped a spanner in the works! The internal narrowing at the wheel arches is visible in the photos I posted. Ian do you have the measurements for the width from the museum exhibit? I would really appreciate a full set of measurements as I am about to start on the model.:bow: Thank you both Fyll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianscales Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 (edited) I'll dig them out Fyll. Edit: I've got them Fyll, send me your Email address and I'll get a copy over to you. Edited January 17, 2010 by ianscales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted angus Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 Ha Ha!! You never know what's coming in the mail next, like the last batch of 2MT pics :-D I'll be up all night now watching !!! TED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted angus Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 Ted you just dropped a spanner in the works! The internal narrowing at the wheel arches is visible in the photos I posted. Ian do you have the measurements for the width from the museum exhibit? I would really appreciate a full set of measurements as I am about to start on the model.:bow: Thank you both Fyll Fyll there is a data plate on the front face of the head in your pictures 3 & 4 did you get a close up. FYLL & IAN is this a WW2 production 5 ton example or a post war ?? how do we tell between WW2 production and later 5 ton models. ?? TED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fyll Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 Ian, I sent you a PM with my email. Ted, I'm very sorry but in those days I was not so wise :red: and I was still using film, which I used more sparingly than I do memory card capacity these days! Fyll :banghead: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianscales Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 (edited) how do we tell between WW2 production and later 5 ton models. ??I'm afraid I don't know the difference between them !! The measurements I have don't include the gap between the wheels but it's not difficult to guesstimate from the other measurements. I've checked all the close up pictures I have of the 'Head' and they've all got the plates missing !! Edited January 18, 2010 by ianscales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted angus Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 Fyll I know what you mean about using film in the days gone by it was very expensive and no shooting off loads of shots like we do now, I would guess looking at your shots and Ian's the narrowing is only about 3 to 4 inches per side What do you reckon Ian ??? I haven't forgotten the drawing etc for the 10 ton version scanner is down at the moment but I hope to sort it by the weekend I will also scan the data book sheet/ regards TED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianscales Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 the narrowing is only about 3 to 4 inches per side Yes about that Ted, it's just enough to take the 'swing arm' style suspension, which must have been a feat of engineering in itself. I've often wondered how many were overloaded though, whilst I appreciate the relative lightness of a fuselage I've see some pretty daunting loads i.e. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianscales Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 ........ and I've just noticed, that looks like a 3 Ton version !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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