barrynevuk Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Does anyone know if the Drops vehicles being disposed of currently will leagaly and practically lift and carry a fv432? I think our 432 weighs in at 14t, which is within the figure of 15t I have seen written that these will lift and carry. But I was wondering if this is practicle, and the weight would be down the sides of the lifting rack rather thsn spread across the base. I have seen cvrt vehicles but their weight is considerably less than the 432!! Barry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy FV432 Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Hi Barry, Wouldn't have thought a drops would be capable of it. Not only are you trying to lift a 432, but plus the platform, which is surely getting on a couple of tonnes. Plus you would end up with a vehicle with a high centre of gravity. Plus you would be getting close to 16foot high? Does anyone know what the Gross vehicle weight is of a drops is and its unladen weight? Regards Dougy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stone Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 DAF DROPS: GVW 32000kg, Unladen 17000kg Foden DROPS: GVW 32960kg, Unladen 17960kg Could probably just do it, but I don't reckon you'd want to - imagine your pain if VOSA stopped you and confiscated both! When laden with a flatrack and ISO container the DROPS vehicles (especially the Foden) are getting very close to maximum height; and that's with all the weight evenly spread. There must be a good reason the Army use low-loaders and HET, they didn't buy a load of kit from Oshkosh for fun... Stone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 Have seen them carrying CVRT and Saracen, but never a 432. I would imagine the centre of gravity would be too high to operate the vehicle safely with a 432 on the back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy FV432 Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 Hello All, Barry, Would have thought you would have to watch axle weights. You would prob end up overloading the rear axles, and end up with not enough on the front axle. Would have looked good though! Regards Dougy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berna2vm Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 I regularly used to transport Komatsu D57 S loading shovels on the back of a Mercedes 2421 6x4 Rolonof hook lift truck. It had a ripper on the rear of the Komatsu and as a result weighed about 14 tons... putting the gross weight of the Merc about 3 tons over the maxim :nono:. But it coped admirably, albeit with a high centre of gravity. I would not have trusted any of my drivers with it, though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrynevuk Posted November 22, 2009 Author Share Posted November 22, 2009 I thought it would be a bit on the heavy side, and did think that it may be too tall. Would look good though! Barry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 I thought it would be a bit on the heavy side, and did think that it may be too tall. Would look good though! Barry These drops don't seem too worried about the height http://www.military.ie/army/equipment/vehicles/drops/index.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oily Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Am glad someone said a Foden would be ok to take onboard a saracen, as that is my plan: to get a Leyland or Foden DROPS and use it to convey my Saracen to shows.....:cool2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoggyDriver Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 (edited) I was a DROPS OP with 1 and 7 Squadrons RLC. If anyone went to the Bletchley Park show back in 2001, can you remember the DROPS there with the Wolf 90 on the back, well that was mine. I was representing 7 Squadron RLC at the show!! The load capacity of a MMLC Drops is 15t and all up weight is 32 tonnes. With the King Trailer it's GTW is 55 tonnes. I've had all sorts on the back in my time including containers, JCB410M, Land Rovers etc. If the weight of the 432 is 14 tonnes then you will be slightly overweight. I can't remember exactly what a flat rack weighs but it's over a ton (I'm pretty sure it's 1.6 tonnes). I think I've still got my training and information manual from the Army somewhere. The LHS will trip out if you are tying to lift too much weight if I remember rightly. When I carried the JCB410M you certainly noticed the centre of gravity. There are specific instructions on load restraint for different types of equipment. These must be followed for the safe lift of the equipment. A JCB410M on a flat rack at full tilt is pretty intimidating. They are a good bit of kit, when they work. I remember we had quite a few problems with the LHS, mainly the valve banks. You can operate the system via the valve banks as a back up. Edited November 24, 2009 by LoggyDriver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrynevuk Posted November 23, 2009 Author Share Posted November 23, 2009 Am glad someone said a Foden would be ok to take onboard a saracen, as that is my plan: to get a Leyland or Foden DROPS and use it to convey my Saracen to shows.....:cool2: like this?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoggyDriver Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 78 KH 15 - Is that a 27 Regt DROPS? The number rings a bell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oily Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 That is a cool pic, now I know it can be done, legally, seeing as it seems to be an in-service truck, looking like it's being loaded by a genuine squaddie,....hmmmm, next thing is where am I gonna get me a Foden DROPS, and how much?......I've already got somewhere to put it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Withams have DROPS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 Withams have DROPS. Look at the friendly comment on the vid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoggyDriver Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 Look at the friendly comment on the vid. I've just put that guy straight!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 Yep, what a knob! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 I've just put that guy straight!! Well done. He shot himself in the food while eating some humble pie.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin royan Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Does anybody know how many rhd drops were built,i,ve only seen lhd,the ones at withams look pretty rough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Does anybody know how many rhd drops were built,i,ve only seen lhd,the ones at withams look pretty rough There were no RHD DROPS, Kevin.............at least not in service, there might have been a few on initial trials. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin royan Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 So how many were built,there must be alot coming up for disposal,so there must be a good one somewhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Jacksons had a few a while back, must have all been sold on as they no longer appear on their website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Jacksons had a few a while back, must have all been sold on as they no longer appear on their website. Probably on there way to Somalia..:sweat: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoggyDriver Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 So how many were built,there must be alot coming up for disposal,so there must be a good one somewhere There is a DROPS in the tender at Withams. The picture is on the tender list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 I can't remeber if I already put this stollie up, but it sort of realtes to this topic (sort of) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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