Enigma Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 the ironic thing about this coming up now is that on monday this week I recieved through the post a us para helmet that I bought via another forum I am on Front seam swivel bail shell Firestone liner para A frame straps leather chin cup incorrect standard stap(no extensions with press studs) identical unit markings to the one in the auction but one major difference £ 45.00 plus £5 post perhaps I should enter it in the next German auction Nigel That's a bargain, well done. Any pics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford 369 Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 one day I will work out how to post pictures and then Iwill be able to bore you all senseless with pictures of all the old junk I keep buying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willyslancs Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 dont worry ford 369 its interesting . you post em!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 one day I will work out how to post pictures http://www.hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/faq.php?faq=vb3_reading_posting#faq_vb3_attachments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fesm_ndt Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 What was it a picture of? The most expensive postcard that i have seen was of a WW1 Ambulance which went for over £600. I was collecting military ship cards. I say was as I got a cupboard full of them, but spend more time on car tinkering lately. RPPC (Real Picture Post Cards) can go for big bucks as typically there is only one. The highest I have seen was a RPPC of the Titanic leaving port which was well over 10k quid. But I guess does have one reason as no Titanic cards were even sent, for obvious reasons. I need to have a dig through the slush box as I know there are mil cards in there, maybe with some vehicles. Ships were easy as can normally find their history fairly quickly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 What was it a picture of? Soldiers of the Irish Free State posing with members of the Garda Siochana & RUC on their mutual border. All look fairly convivial, I expect some members of those two police forces had served together in the RIC pre-1922. Some months back I saw a RIC helmet for £2,750. There is someone on ebay selling lots of stuff as "B Specials USC" but much of it isn't, it is RUC. I asked about the size of one of the helmets & pointed out it was actually RUC. The answer came back "possible", so I still know what size it is. Someone has now told him it is a motorcyclist's helmet & was made after the USC were disbanded. So there is a lot of nonsense out there. If he had told me the size or measured it I might have bid, although I do have 6 of them already.:-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferretfixer Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 Yup one born every minute I've got the original copy of the bible signed by Jesus and God... wonder if he wants to buy that? I have Adolf Hitlers other Goolie.....Honest Guv, of course it's genuine! Do you think the German Auctioneers would be interested?.....:rofl: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark m uk Posted November 20, 2009 Author Share Posted November 20, 2009 Late war Westinghouse jumpliners had them fixed seperately.All earlier ones were riveted under the webbing. That is news to me - learning all the time here. I thought all wartime production were riveted under the 'A' Frames. Also interested to hear/learn more about the lot no, (I assume you refer to the heat stamp) you are the first person I heard of to figure out how to date an M1 fom that, Regards Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 (edited) That is news to me - learning all the time here. I thought all wartime production were riveted under the 'A' Frames. Also interested to hear/learn more about the lot no, (I assume you refer to the heat stamp) you are the first person I heard of to figure out how to date an M1 fom that, Regards Mark. Hi Mark, thanks for the comment. A-frames seperately riveted. I can't find it in my books yet, so may be post war. I'll do some more digging... OK, think I got my idea from this site, although it doesn't state any dates. http://www.101st-airborne.net/binnenframesetreenactment.htm In the "helmets of the eto" book it says they are post war. (Even I am learning here...). About the heat stamp and dating. I can't take credit, in 1 of the new helmet books is a chart with stamps and dates so you can estimate its built date. Also by comparing original d-bales heat stamps you can get a idea of the nr.s involved. The d-bales weren't produced anymore way before the swivel bales came, so if you have a d-bale with a nr. in say 800/900 its no good... Fixed/swivel bales. It looks like there is a transitional period. I have swivels with lower nrs. then some of my fixed ones. Guess they just took whatever manganese plate was at hand without them being in numerical order. Also were a lot of fixed bales converted to swivels, confusing the matter even more... To totally confuse you I have a helmet that started as a fixed bale, converted to a swivel bale and then to a 3-bale! (3-bale, Israely. Bales moved a bit and a 3rd bale added at the rear). Edited November 20, 2009 by Enigma Extra info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark m uk Posted November 20, 2009 Author Share Posted November 20, 2009 (edited) Thanks for the additional information, Enigma. Can you clarify this business about the D bales being stainless. All my fixed bales (about 15) have stainless bales, my swivels are about 25% stainless. The only D bale I have is a semi relic, and has steel bale - i assumed it was a fake/repro, because the bale was not Stainless. Hopefully you will be able to help me understand a little more about the US M1 helmets I have. Regards Mark. P.S. Hopefully you will be able to help with the German stuff too :-D Edited November 20, 2009 by mark m uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 Hi Mark Don't know much about German helmets although I'd like to get my hands on your stash...Ashley knows german helmets I think. I did spot a WW1 model in the heap. Fixed bales were indeed stainless steel but d-bales were just steel which rusted, also confirmed by the books.Relic d-bales have rusted bales. So yours might be ok. What is its lot/heat nr? Got some pics? Swivels come in stainless and rusting as mentioned by you. Sometimes 1 helmet has a stainless and a steel bale. Hope it helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 The reason the helmet made so much is the 'I must have it' syndrome. Of course, if you do that often enough you end up with a pile like Marks...:-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 (edited) The reason the helmet made so much is the 'I must have it' syndrome. Of course, if you do that often enough you end up with a pile like Marks...:-D Tell me about it, that's why I have about 100 WW2 US helmets... (In my defense, I didn't pay silly money for them) Here a pic of a lot of post war Dutch helmets I bought some years ago... Edited November 20, 2009 by Enigma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashley Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 From what i can see....... 5 M16 -M17, the helmet front left is a M16, 3 M35/40 With lufty eagles i.e. centre front , at least 2 armys (one with apple green {early} finish, some may have PW[noewegian ]liners judging by the colours but could be just well used. A close up of the chin straps would be usefull Ashley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark m uk Posted November 20, 2009 Author Share Posted November 20, 2009 :-D..........Yep Ashley, you certainly know your stuff - Enigma wrote that you were the resident German helmet expert. I'll show you mine, if you show me yours :-D regards Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick highland Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 There must have been other interested parties for the bidding to have been pushed so high, may turn out to be a sound investment if the new owner puts it back on the market some time in the future with the paperwork from the auction to add to the helmets "provenance". Mick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Of course, the other bidder may well be pondering with hindsight, 'what the hell was I thinking?' :shocked: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark m uk Posted November 21, 2009 Author Share Posted November 21, 2009 There must have been other interested parties for the bidding to have been pushed so high, may turn out to be a sound investment if the new owner puts it back on the market some time in the future with the paperwork from the auction to add to the helmets "provenance". Mick A very good point - this is exactly how new levels of monitary value for all this old crap are achieved. That para helmet, is no more useless than a deactivated weapon, Hitlers errant testicle, a finely restored Sherman, Eva Brauns undies, a lancaster bomber or the Ark Royal. None of the above have any real value above scrap - so the amount of money that change hands for is irrelevent anyway. Strange isn't it. We have all heard that rather smug reply to the eternal question of "what do you think this is worth?" People that have no idea, are not prepared to go on record with an opinion, cant resist answering in the rather obvious and well worn phrase "its worth whatever anyone is prepared to pay for it" So here is the question - "what is an unoriginal us WW2 parahelmet worth?"..............and the reply could now legitemately be "about £55,000" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 I should use it as a selling point for my restored WW2 helmets. "real WW2 helmet, rstored and marked, 550 GBP for a steel shell and postwar liner. That's only 1% the price of a real one..." So who wants one? :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark m uk Posted November 21, 2009 Author Share Posted November 21, 2009 I should use it as a selling point for my restored WW2 helmets. "real WW2 helmet, rstored and marked, 550 GBP for a steel shell and postwar liner. That's only 1% the price of a real one..." So who wants one? :-D Yep ! 1%, Y'see the facts are the facts - statistics help sell anything. Problem is 97.5% of people interviewed said they would tell lies during a survey for statistical research. :??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford 369 Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 I may have to undercut you on that,I only want £549.99 for mine Nigel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 (edited) I may have to undercut you on that,I only want £549.99 for mineNigel Lets start a Kartel then.:-D OK, cartel then? Or cartell? Edited November 21, 2009 by Enigma Apparently I made a mistake. Sorry for being tri-lingual... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford 369 Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Lets start a Kartel then.:-D great idea ,but we need to know who the other bidders were in the auction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 (edited) Lets start a Kartel then.:-D or a cartel? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartel Edited November 21, 2009 by antarmike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 How's your Dutch Mike? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.