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Just a quick question...Theres a very clean Bedford MJ on ebay at the moment..some of you will probably have seen it. It says in the description that it is direct from the MOD. Its never been registered and has never been used on the roads, its showing 55,000 miles. Heres my query..its fitted with a tachograph. Im an ex rct driver and no military vehicles were fitted with tachos...so why is this one and if say i bought the truck would i be allowed to remove it as it would not be used for commercial purposes? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Bedford-MJ-4x4-military-troop-carrier-truck-mint_W0QQitemZ110421650010QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Commercial_Trucks?hash=item19b5a4aa5a&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

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Probably fitted by a previous owner who intended to use it for "hire and reward"

If using it for private purposes then no reason why the tacho can be removed

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I think he meant 'no reason why the tacho cannot be removed' ;)

 

Why not leave it in, running round and round the same chart? You might want to sell it in future to someone who has to have one and they're not cheap to fit! They do this on the vehicle I did HGV training in - if you have a tacho fitted that you're not required by law to use then you don't need to get it calibrated every 6(?) years either.

 

Stone

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Tachographs are required to be calibrated every two (2) years. The calibration LABEL must not be older than six years.

 

I think you might find that if a tachograph is fitted then it is required to be serviced and calibrated as per tachograph regulations regardless of whether you need it or not. My understanding is that you get a letter from VOSA stating that you are not required to use it for the purpose of private HGV. A friend who is a Policeman sold his Bedford last year as he was told he was required to fit a tacho to his truck even though it was down rated and was not used for hire and reward.

 

That Bedford is pricey in my opinion. You have to ask yourself why someone has bought it and yet it is still to be registered? You can buy direct for cheaper and also buy a box body at the same time then register it yourself.

 

The truck is probably an ex RAF vehicle if it is fitted with a tacho. There are several RAF Bedford MJ's at Withams fitted with tacho's and they are all RAF trucks.

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If the vehicle is equipped with this unit , if need be or not , if stopped for some traffic violation would it be something the officer could request the driver to hand over view to see if a violation had indeed happened ? In Britain can they then look at all the data on the disk for other incidents

Not that I speed normally but the thought was/ is why give them any more information past the speed camera or speed gun they already have.

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As I said in my first post if the vehicle is not going to be used for hire and reward there is no reason to use it.

As someone else said if it is fitted it must work and must be calibrated in line with the regs

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No MOT and not registered for the Road?

 

Save yourself over three grand and get one from Witham's next sale. Plenty available and probably lower mileage even better condition. Just make sure you go along and look what you're bidding on.

 

Better still buy this one:- http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?t=13813

all ready to go and very very low mileage.

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Thanks for all your replies and extra info..all very useful.

 

What i couldnt understand is why there was one fitted when the vehicle has never been registered with DVLA and looks to have come straight from the MOD. Does seem odd to me but as LoggyDriver has pointed out it could be exRAF.

So my question was if ones fitted does it have to be used and calibrated or removed altogether if the truck is only used pleasure and taking to shows.

Im not in a position to buy at the moment as i work away from home alot and wouldnt have the time to use it, also i only have outside storage in a secure yard which isnt ideal and expensive!

 

Thanks again.

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When I was based at RAF lyneham in the 80,s some of the 4tonners had them and I think all the 8 tonners were fitted but we never used them.

 

As for the 3 ton cl,s i cant remember, but i think the newer models were fitted with them.

 

Chris

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With respect Lee, the info on that site is about 3 years out of date. All the break and rest requirements have changed.

 

Maybe this one is more upto date?

 

Goods Vehicles

http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/freight/road/workingtime/drivershoursgoods.pdf

 

& one on Passenger Vehicles

http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/drivingforwork/drivershoursandtachographrules/drivershourtachographrules.pdf'>http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/drivingforwork/drivershoursandtachographrules/drivershourtachographrules.pdf'>http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/drivingforwork/drivershoursandtachographrules/drivershourtachographrules.pdf

 

Both links from http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/drivingforwork/drivershoursandtachographrules/

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Better still buy this one:- http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?t=13813

all ready to go and very very low mileage.

Obviously I know nothing about your individual vehicle but it's worth mentioning that the clocks do get reset from time to time - if the instrument cluster gets replaced they don't wind the odometer forward. When we bought ours it said it'd done 70km which was obviously untrue :rofl:

 

So yeah, take the reading with a pinch of salt :)

 

Stone

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Maybe this one is more upto date?

 

Goods Vehicles

http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/freight/road/workingtime/drivershoursgoods.pdf

 

& one on Passenger Vehicles

http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/drivingforwork/drivershoursandtachographrules/drivershourtachographrules.pdf'>http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/drivingforwork/drivershoursandtachographrules/drivershourtachographrules.pdf'>http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/drivingforwork/drivershoursandtachographrules/drivershourtachographrules.pdf

 

Both links from http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/drivingforwork/drivershoursandtachographrules/

 

 

That's better, now combine it with the working time directive and you have the full picture.

 

The big problem now is that if you work 5 days during the week in any paid employment you then need to fit in at least a 24 hour continuous weekly rest if driving a laden LGV at the weekend, even if only transporting your own horse/MV etc. Any work related activity such as filling in a time sheet, cleaning your truck etc is classed as an interruption of a weekly rest.:argh:

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Exemption form here to be handed in when truck taken for test / first test.

If vehicle is exempt from Tachographs but has one fitted being used as a Speedo, calibration / test is not required.

If a vehicle is exempt from Tachographs then the driver is also exempt from driving hours whilst driving said vehicle.

Tachograph Exemption.pdf

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I thought I would update this old thread as requirements have changed and of interest would be item 30 on the exemption form. DVSA form 75, 2018 revision.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/754827/declare-heavy-goods-vehicle-does-not-need-tachograph.pdf

"Vehicle is no longer used for the carriage of goods and is taxed as Private HGV"

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Dear All,

 

That last post from Mk3iain is invaluable and  I was not aware of the exemption 2,

"2. Vehicle is over 25 years old and is not used commercially for carriage of goods."

 

I thought that recent changes in Tachograph rules meant that my 1981 Contractor Tk Tptr had to have a working and calibrated tacho.  I was wrong!  I use a  tacho for two reasons; The first is to be able to prove that appropriate breaks were taken.  The other is for fuel consumption and performance records.  It is very useful to know the average speed of the transporter and journey time for a particular leg.  With the Contractor these are very consistent down to the nearest minute.

 

John

 

 

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Exemption 2 is in fact the one I am using with the Mk3 Recovery, it seems that there are very relevant changes since this thread was raised in 2009.

It helps to know the facts rather than rely on second hand info. When I get my Milly through the MOT I'll summarise all the relevant gen that I uncovered to make it easier for others.

Iain

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When applying for plating and first test, I filled in a tachograph and speed limiter exemption forms which give the valid reasons.  Well worth getting it right for plating.  I have found the technical officers at DVSA very helpful indeed in answering my questions.

 

T

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I spoke to the DVSA and I came away with the understanding that anybody can fill in the form and declare tachograph exemption but it is for the officer at the side of the road and any subsequent court proceedings that will decide it. 

So yes at the time of registration and MOT exemption can be claimed but this does not mean that the vehicle is exempt. 

After all if you have a tachograph why not use it. Unless you are a lorry driver. 

Also if, as I do, you disconnect the battery for long periods then I was told to put in the backing plastic and two discs. 

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48 minutes ago, david56 said:

I spoke to the DVSA and I came away with the understanding that anybody can fill in the form and declare tachograph exemption but it is for the officer at the side of the road and any subsequent court proceedings that will decide it. 

So yes at the time of registration and MOT exemption can be claimed but this does not mean that the vehicle is exempt. 

After all if you have a tachograph why not use it. Unless you are a lorry driver. 

Also if, as I do, you disconnect the battery for long periods then I was told to put in the backing plastic and two discs. 

The exemption form is presented to the inspector at the time of MOT, a DVSA examiner will have a good idea if the exemption claimed is valid!

As David says DVSA are aware false declarations are being made and excepted by online systems. Just because it is accepted does not mean it is valid. I have just taxed the Milly and for the first time managed it online as the system now says it qualifies for "historic vehicle" MOT exemption. Just so happens it has just lost that exemption of course and has an MOT......

 

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