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  1. RAF vehicle camouflage

    Larry - The ballon winch at the Museum is in post-war colours And i assume you are referring to the Fordson crash tender you posted on the first page? If so i have some doubts about that picture, it feels like it is too much of a prepared publicity shot; in much the same way as in certain famous press shots of pilots they got hold of the best conditioned flying gear and each pilot took turns wearing the same kit for their photographs.
  2. RAF vehicle camouflage

    They came later, in '46. No mention of them being a different colour in 37
  3. An annoyance

    Check armouredfarmers response on this thread, it highlights the litte green "dot" (or star if you've arleady responsed to the topic before) which takes you to the first unread post.
  4. RAF vehicle camouflage

    It was actually agreed at the highest level from the outset - the Yanks would focus on bringing their operational equipment over to start with whilst we supplied the supporting elements as part of the lend-lease agreements. This has reminded me I really should note down where this stuff is when I find it - it'll take me ages to find the documents again!
  5. RAF vehicle camouflage

    Larry you are correct, the RAF did not use (at least any appreciable numbers) Austin Tillies. They also did not use Austin K2 Ambulances at home until 1945 (the first Databook entry I can find for them) Baz - yes, indeed, the good old Albion and the WOT1. Other chassis that were used for different ambulances at home and abroad during the war were things like Ford F60L, C298QF and WOT2; Humber FWD; Morris Y; Standard 14hp...possibly more. The only pre 1945 photographs i have seen of K2 Ambulances on RAF home stations actually show Red Cross/St Johns/Other aid agencies, waiting to collect casualties being flown in. Simon - couldn't you tell it was supposed to be overseas by the tropical North London surroundings?
  6. RAF vehicle camouflage

    It was actually largely the Hillman tillies that were used by the RAF.
  7. RAF vehicle camouflage

    Tony, Allan Taylor did the actual conversion work according to the RAF, so i would presume Wandsworth.
  8. RAF vehicle camouflage

    I agree with Simon, the "lime green" does appear like it should be Light Green No.5. the downside of using in-situ paint examples is the colour change over time- unless a preservative layer was put over it before the next layer of paint then it does unfortunately change eventually. The conversion would have been performed by either Allan Taylor, who converted both the WOT3 and Thames 7V, or Reynolds who only worked on the WOT3. There were differences, but i don't have the relevant databook to hand at this moment.
  9. Pass plate and holder

    Now you've gone and done it, everyone knows you keep thinking about my bits! Oh for the free time to actually do stuff in, i would offer a hand otherwise. Have you moved your base of operations?
  10. RAF vehicle camouflage

    Having exhausted A series (although i accept that i am only human and the possibility exists that I could have missed something) There were pre-war orders in the SD series (secret document because the Air Ministry is so good at labels) that detail what to do on the outbreak of war but it's mostly organisational and higher level stuff. (also some interesting things like what to do in the event of unrest in Republic of Ireland amongst others). I can take a look through all of those as well when i get time. Larry, the RAF Museum has an almost complete collection of AMOs in the A and N range (missing some very early stuff, the odd week in 1918 etc). It might be a case, as Ted says, of starting with a search on the TNA website for certain key words within the AIR series before you make your trip.
  11. RAF vehicle camouflage

    Ted, I'm already ahead of you, slowly making my way through the AMOs, both A and N series but so far found nothing useful with regards to colours.
  12. RAF vehicle camouflage

    Army Cooperation Command used A, which was also used by Airfield Construction after Army Coop ceased to be. If I remember correctly (and I may be completely wrong here) the signals groups in Bomber and Fighter command had different roles, so i'm not sure if 60 group would have had a huge number of signals vehicles. Like I say, I'm going from memory and I'd need to double check to be sure. As for the paints, i believe that there were orders at group level for camouflaging vehicles (building camouflaging was already underway) which is why it seems a mess in photos today, with some vehicles of the period camouflaged and others not. My working hypothesis is that those stations in the south and east were a priority for painting as they were the most vulnerable; however i have not had the chance to spend time at Kew and go through the papers there (oh for a week of leave to spend there!)
  13. RAF vehicle camouflage

    I've not been able to keep up with thread until now, although there isn't much to add to what Ted has already contributed. With regards to the Duresco chart, it appears to be what few colours from their pre-war range they were able to make at that point: http://patrickbaty.co.uk/2011/11/07/duresco-king-of-water-paints/ There were a number of schemes being offered for civilians to have their own buidlings, cars etc. camouflaged (one was a very strange mix of rural on one side of the car and urban on the other).
  14. Berlin Brigade Challengers

    What became the ICRC formed in 1863 and in the same year held a conference (in Geneva) on the treatment of wounded in wartime. it was this conference that led the Swiss state to hold the 1864 conference to formally adopt some of the proposals from 1863- of which the article you quote was one. White cross on green background has been in use for far longer than it has been an ISO symbol. Green crosses have been the symbol for pharmacies for as long as i can remember (which is certainly not as long as many others on this forum, but still...) and we certainly had one at the end of our road in the early 90s with a green cross shaped sign.
  15. In my experience, those vehicles that actually operate are, where applicable. However in most national museums the majority are non operational and are moved about by handpower and other vehicles/plant (mostly handpower in my experience!).
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