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  1. RAFMT

    RAF land rover Breakdown/tow truck 1960's

    Ditto, never come across any images or documents relating to crane equipped Land Rovers in the RAF.
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    RAF vehicle camouflage

    I've done some looking around, that photograph is of the Ju-88 after it went on display at Primrose Hill. It was usually commercial haulage firms used for that sort of job at that stage of the war.
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    RAF vehicle camouflage

    I agree with Ted, camouflaging civvy vehicles in the early years was quite common and both the British Industrial Design Group and the Ministry of Transport weighed in on the matter. One of the designs was to put a rural camouflage on one side of the vehicle and "urban" camo (brickwork design) on the other. Besides, the RAF initially used civilian haulage firms in helping the recovery of crashed aircraft. EDIT: This is 3Z+DK which crashed at Gatwick racecourse and later put on display at Primrose Hill
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    RAF Airfield Follow Me Vehicles in WW2 ?

    As Ted said, coastal command 18 group, but nothing to definitively locate, or date it. I hate to disagree with Ted, but having seen a fair few photographs that have been recorded as being taken in the few years that follow the war where the vehicle in question still carries the blackout covers because it never went out on the open road and presumably nobody could be bothered to remove them. As Baz said, we've had photograph of the front of vehicles with STOP signs that could be used for any number of reasons, but no wartime images of follow me vehicles. It is likely that they could be used by the marshal, waiting on the taxiway to let the aircraft know when they can proceed onto the runway, or once they've landed so that they can be told which dispersal to go to.
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    Bridge rating markings on vehicles

    It took a while for them to be applied to vehicles that weren't likely to leave to the airfield however. Things like tractors and such, you see photographs well into the war showing tractors without bridge markings.
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    Bridge rating markings on vehicles

    The RAF circulated a letter, "Yellow Discs on Vehicles", which I have yet to see (I hope it's in TNA somewhere), but I have references to it. It was dated 3/9/1939.
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    Unusual Saracen

    No Saracens yet, but I did find this interesting leaflet in the RAF Museum collection
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    Picture release date

    Also viewable here: https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205206014 Edit: another view here: https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205205998
  9. RAFMT

    Spitfire found in Norwegian peat bog

    The guidance from the CAA is:
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    RAF signal lamp bulb

    I've checked AP1086 up until 1971, there is no 5A/6230 that I can find - the highest number I've found for the 5A section is 5163 and that's as late as 1972. Are there any other identifying numbers on there?
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    RAF Airfield Follow Me Vehicles in WW2 ?

    We also need to remember that the controller was supposed to have a vehicle to hand so that he could run around the airfield to examine the landing area, investigate things and generally make himself look more important to the poor erks busy working!
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    RAF Airfield Follow Me Vehicles in WW2 ?

    Just one last meander before heading back on topic. With regards to the photos of the double discs pre-dating the AMO - It is something I missed off my previous post but meant to write, is that my research seems to indicate that it was fairly common for something to be in practice already (so it might be in an AP, or have been handed down through command or group orders etc.) and the AMO is laid down later to make it formal. We can go back on topic now. Still keeping an eye out.
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    RAF Airfield Follow Me Vehicles in WW2 ?

    Bowser, I'm not saying these people are wrong, but my experience has taught me to take these things with a pinch of salt until verified by a period source, or multiple independent memories. I mean, we're still waiting to see this squadron of Spitfires buried in Burma I apologise if my previous post offended, but to be fair I specifically did not dismiss the idea it could be used for escorting visiting American bombers; the RAF had a standard procedure for what to do on landing so it would seem odd that this one station needed to do things differently. Unless it was used to escort those aircraft being sent to the southern hard-standings that would have to cross the Cheapside road? If I were to concede to the statements you have presented we would still need to acknowledge that this is an oddity and that it was not universal or even widely adopted. As for colours, first off as Ted said earlier, whilst the orders stated orange the colour more usually seen is actually yellow (the later colour used on vehicle tops being Golden Yellow on the BS381 chart) probably because at the same time aircraft were receiving a yellow outer ring to the roundel - two birds one stone sort of situation. An example would be the Morris light recce in the Night Bombers video posted earlier on in this thread (unless I'm getting my threads crossed again). As for photos - how many photos have you seen of vehicles that would be covered by the 1940 AMO? Me, I can honestly say not very many. It would largely be Directorate of Works and civilian contractors, that sort of work - not the usual refuellers or bomb trolley tractors which should be going around the outside of the field (and later around the peri track).I have to dig out the photo of a Fordson N clearly showing the double disc (colour open to interpretation) I do however have a few albums in the RAF Museum collection lined up to view that look like they might cover these sorts of subjects, so I'll be sure to report back on here. You are right that much has been written online about RAF colour schemes, unfortunately a lot of it is written from hearsay, and we are lucky to have people on here who have spent much time on researching the subject and putting the record straight; paving the way for the rest of us to have discussions like these. I consider myself very fortunate to be in the position where I am actually being paid to undertake this research. Who knows what we might find as we go forward, I mean we are a far cry from the "All RAF vehicles were Blue-Grey" days now
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    RAF Airfield Follow Me Vehicles in WW2 ?

    Sorry, been on holiday. AMO A731 of 3rd October 1940 states "tractors and machinery likely to be used on landing grounds" to be painted all over "Bright Orange". Vehicles temporarily used on landing grounds but not painted are to have a white sheet fixed over the bonnet. AMO A486 of 25th May 1944 cancels A731/40 and instead confines the the bright colour (now clarified as Orange 33A/125) to the top surfaces of vehicles. Both AMOs also state that such vehicles should carry the double disc in orange on a mast so they can be easily seen from a cockpit and any part of the airfield, something the "yellow peril" doesn't have. Not wanting to sound antagonistic, but unless that account was written down at the time, I'd take it with a pinch of salt as I've encountered far too many instances of the memory being at fault. I'm not saying the vehicle wasn't used at a pinch to help visiting (American) aircraft not used to RAF procedures, but I have found a slightly more rational reason for it's existence. I quote from Action Stations Revisited, Vol 6 by Tim Mclelland: "From early 1942, Gee, Walker &Slater Ltd had been involved in extedning runways 18-36 to 2,000 yards and 12-30 to 1,400 yards across the A16." (my emphasis). I find it more likely that this vehicle (like the fire one earlier in the post) was used to stop the traffic on the A16 while take off and landing operations were being undertaken.
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    Matador tanker colour

    Hi Peter, I assume you mean the (O)854 6x6? As far as SCC1a went, it was only applied by the RAF for less than a year; it was introduced by AMO A1397/42 of 31st December 1942 (as paint, P.F.U., Dark Brown) and was replaced with "paint, P.F.U., black, quick drying, matt finish" in A891/43 of 9th September 1943. Unless a vehicle underwent a repaint in those 8-and-a-bit months they would have skipped that particular colour combination. Then again it can be particularly hard to discern from black and white photographs.
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