AmphibAndy
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On 11/16/2021 at 6:45 PM, Richard Farrant said:
Hi Andrew,
A lot of counties had the registration records saved in the County archives when current registrations were transferred to Swansea, I know Kent has and other counties, so worth contacting the Nottingham County archives. They will probably do a search for a small fee.
regards, Richard
Sorry to have missed this reply. Sadly Nottingham County Council records were one of the Councils that were kept and were supposedly destroyed. I still find it unfathomable that even in the age of Microfiche machines DVLA didnt bother to keep the records.
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4 minutes ago, 79x100 said:
Andy, there is nothing to stop you from putting a cherished number on it, is there ? A Nottinghamshire number with the correct suffix letter and three numbers ought not to be too expensive ? I agree that you shouldn't have to.
I can do of course. I think its probably fair to say that both my late father and I , however have the bit between our teeth on this one. But as you said previously I may have to concede defeat to the bureaucracy.
"Destroy the records", must surely rank alongside the "pull up the bridges " instructions of Beeching. at best crass stupidity, and at worst blatant vandalism
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Nice picture and thank you for the article I will read this evening. Interesting to see the G3WO engine and box all in green as I have restored mine to be, although not a panel in tank in the photo. Not sure where Chapmans were.
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Part of the problem is I have built up a dislike of the age related plates the DVLA issues. It immediately suggests the car or bike is either an import or bitza ( to me anyway ) . I love seeing proper local area plates on old machines and it grates that this bike had a plate ( not one worth much I would hazard ) and now it would have to go back on something rather less than appealing. Maybe someone has the old Dawsons sales ledgers.? Now I am getting desperate!
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2 hours ago, welbike said:
Send me the frame number (if you haven't already done so, sorry, getting flooded with inquiries)
Cheers,
Lex
Thanks Lex, you have already, kindly confirmed the frame number and another forum member here has kindly provided me with sales information of my bike. What I cannot provide is a copy of the original log book. Perhaps one day it will turn up on E bay.
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1 hour ago, 79x100 said:
Andy, there will only have been a record created (and microfilmed at Swansea) for vehicles which were 'active' after computerisation began. In some cases, this will have involved the keeper forwarding the old brown log book and they should have microfilmed it before destruction...However, if you know that the old brown log book was simply lost and it has never been on the computer system then that will be a dead-end.
DVLC most certainly didn't ask local authorities for copy records relating to 70 years worth of registrations , mostly for vehicles that no longer existed.
I don't believe there is any evidence that DVLA ever have or intend to re-sell old registration numbers..there are enough permutations of the modern sequences.
Initially, it was quite straightforward to put older vehicles onto the system, but it was exploited to a criminal degree by the parasites who call themselves Number Plate Dealers. I've seen motorcycles with thirty or so frame numbers stamped on them. At one time, they accepted tax discs, but that was fiddled too and now the burden of proof is extremely high..
Thank you. The M20 was not "active" at the time of computerisation, but I am afraid I dont share your positive view of DVLA and its responsibilities. However you look at it, they took responsibility for vehicles that were registered and in many many cases legitimately off the road. They failed to secure data that their mandate should have required them to do. My father sent in many log books and received few back as they seemed to think it was reasonable not to return historic documents. The M20 was clearly sold to Dawsons as they were based in Nottingham and that is where my registration comes from . The bike was sold at auction in late 1960, the NAU series of numbers were issued in very late/early 1961 in Notts. Numbers either side of my number are issued to BSA and Royal Enfield. It is 100% clear to all who look at this that the number is correct, but DVLA will NOT allocate it back to its rightful place, and cannot provide me with any valid reason why not. They are a pain in the backside , every time I have dealt with them its a nightmare. They are not fit for purpose and should be replaced. Most recently they lost two applications for period numbers on 2 x Jeeps I also own. After a letter to the CEO they issued me with new registration documents. Thankfully I did not send in the buff log books but keep them safe with me.
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On 10/14/2021 at 11:49 AM, 79x100 said:
Long gone, I believe and few agents would keep second-hand vehicle records for sixty years.
12 machines is a fair-sized block and by the 1960s, ex-WD M20s were no longer the mainstream transport of the masses that they had been ten years earlier, at which time any BSA dealer would have been happy to have them in the absence of new stock.
Dawson's come up so often in the odd case where documentation has survived. They were clearly the main buyer of usable stock appearing at Ruddington.
Unfortunately, in the early days of DVLA computerisation, the authorities retained and destroyed the old county council logbooks so a lot of history was lost. Nottinghamshire records have not survived either. They were destroyed as instructed. At one time, DVLA were prepared to supply copies made from their microfiche scans of the documentation provided at computerisation but they no longer do this as they consider it forbidden under modern data protection law...The current situation wouldn't be the time to ask for a favour either. I obtained some back in the eighties and nineties, but it was on thermal paper so I've lost it now anyway !
What is it that you're actually hoping to find ? One thing that you could do is search the DVLA records on-line to see if there are other BSAs (or motorcycles) surviving with numbers close to yours. You might find something like this one. Is yours an 'MTO' number ?
Reading this again, you mention microfiche copies of registrations. Do you know for sure that local councils provided copies to DVLA? It always seem utterly bonkers that DVLA should have taken over the registration of vehicles from local councils and told them to destroy the records. They are still refusing to reallocate the correct and original number to my bike even though its plain for all that it was correctly painted on the bike when we bought it in 1974. My father mislaid the log book and I promised him before he passed away that I would continue to pursue DVLA for this number. No doubt they want to sell it in one of their auctions at some future date. If there are microfiche maybe there is hope. This is the bike with the original number when I started to restore it in 2015
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More great information here. , some marvellous photos of adverts. thanks for sharing. I am just trying to piece as much of the history together as I can. I find that aspect of ownership as much fun as restoring them to be honest.
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It is a Nottingham registration yes. Dawson’s I had heard of. I wonder if they are still going ?
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Wow! Amazing thank you Clive , Richard and Lex. Is there any likelihood of finding which dealer bought it ? Probably not given what has been said earlier reference one of the Auctioneers.
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Thanks again chaps. Such a wealth of information here. Let’s hope our younger generations pick up on all this in years to come
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Thank you Lex. I have a copy of that key card and I think it perhaps says Sudbury in a different hand. There is also MAR/1/5(S?)/21 followed by 9 6 61. All no doubt makes perfect sense if you know what it means. I suspect the 9/6/61 is a date. Andrew
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Thank you Clive, this all sounds quite promising! By ERM do you mean the post war registrations? if so its 28 YD 15 and it was send from Sudbury to Ruddington with a S/O date of 9/6/61. Fingers crossed you have some more information,. thanks again Andrew
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I am looking for information on my WM20 which was sold at Ruddington some time in the second half of 1961. Ideally I would like to discover who it was sold to. Am I looking for the Holy Grail or are these records out there still? Thanks for any help with this.
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3 hours ago, MatchFuzee said:
The history of the RAF roundel
https://www.classicwarbirds.co.uk/articles/the-history-of-the-raf-roundel.php
Thank you . I will take a look at that now.
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1 hour ago, DanCMP said:
I painted the (hopefully) attached roundel on my CMP roof using the following colours:
BS381C 356 Golden Yellow
BS381C 110 Roundel Blue
BS381C 538 Cherry Red
There is no white in the BS381C range so I used a white signwriter’s enamel.
I bought the paint from Paragon Paints and it’s semi-gloss, not matte, as that was too flat against the matte SCC2 I had mixed at Williamson’s in Ripon from Mike Starmer’s swatches.
I cannot remember where I got the colour information from, but I looked at several modelling forums at the time as those guys like detail. It is round in real life as well, the angle of the shot makes it look slightly oval!
That is fantastic and since posting I had come up with those exact colour myself, although not the yellow as I am unsure of what that denotes. Can you explain please?
In addition , did you spray these or are they brushed, they look exceptional , well done. and thanks for the help Andrew
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13 hours ago, Rootes75 said:
We were at a show yesterday a we saw a very well restored half track. Also noted was the very good looking RAF type roundel painted on her bonnet. My photos didnt really show the colours well but I will see if friends from the event have any better.
Thank you for this. Not sure I have ever seen Half Track with Roundels, but there is a first time !
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Just looking at the photo, we know the colour of khaki short, khaki webbing straps and even the steering wheel which is khaki. Oh and the seat. The colour of the Jeep looks nothing like any of those!
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thank you everyone for the replies and leads on colours. I shall do some research on those now and report back. Much appreciate the help. And Richard I shall call you in the next couple of weeks and have a test drive over to see you. cheers Andrew
Oh and this is my Dad in his COs Jeep in Burma, which he categorically confirmed was RAF Blue/Grey ( contentious) he was there from late 43 to 46 .
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Resurrecting my old thread , after starting on the restoration of our second Jeep I got side tracked by quite a few other machines! Ah well, its almost done now and looks resplendent in its RAF Blue Grey. My Dad passed away back in December of last year , aged 96 , but I know he is looking down in full approval of it being in this colour. Here he is driving the COs Jeep in Burma, and here is his Willys MB about to launch onto the scene albeit later than first hoped!
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Can any kind soul help me with the RAL Colour codes for the RAF Roundels please?
I also assume that they were in gloss?
many thanks Andrew
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Its time for a change . I have owned this T16 since 1980! Fully restored , correctly, and in great detail in 2012. Driven over 30 miles on the road to War and Peace and has been at Combined Ops several times , winning best Tracked Armour in 2019. I stripped this to the hull, replacing all the poor steel above the tracks, and totally rebuilt the engine gearbox, bogies ( all new seals and bearing NOS) and wiring loom from the States. The often missing or incorrectly made tool boxes were remanufactured to exacting details even including the correct lift over catches, sourced from the US. This really is a museum quality vehicle that is guaranteed to start every time and put a very big smile on your face. The T16 was the result of a challenge to Ford USA from the War Office to produce a Carrier and improve on that designed by their colleagues in Canada. The brake band steering is a far superior design to the early warp steering and the more powerful Mercury 100HP engine ensures the T16 really can perform as you would expect. Serious enquiries to andrew.honychurch@gmail.com
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lot 1043
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Ruddington Sales Catalogues mid to late 1961
in Motorcycles
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🤣. Quite !