I see you been studying your carriers John , a lot more than I have been doing:) you must have received my emails, their large so i am affraid it'll take sum time to download them , Like 5 hrs with a dial up , LOL sorry mate. anywho yes i'll be waiting for sum pics. I have the ofspray bren carrier book and was reading about the diff carriers , I do like the top wrap around rail for the boyes. 1 question john what type of motor did the Brits use in the 1st carriers were thier always flatheads in them ? thanks again Cheers Mike