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38 minutes ago, fv1609 said:
Incidentally I would be interested in seeing any examples of any clothing marked "I" or "V"
Can't say I have ever noticed that.
Many thanks for posting the clothing list. Very interesting. There were clearly a lot of individuals of small stature back then.
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Clive,
Of shirts? I have a size 8 shirt from 1948 and it's huge!
A size 20 would be listed in the Tents section 😂
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Clive,
I would certainly be interested to see that.
Shirts were made in nine sizes, certainly into the 1950s and early 1960s.
This was reduced to just four sizes when the wool mix combat shirt was introduced in 1971, sizes 0-3 were issued. Size 3 was around 48" chest. Anything larger than that was a "special measure" and had to be ordered. Outsize garment were usually named to an individual on the label.
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Some rare colour footage here from 1938. Guy Ant and other pre war vehicles.
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4 hours ago, Chris Hall said:
Ferretfixer may be able to confirm this, but I think that gun has the crackle finish as it’s not an L2A3. It could be a training installation as I think that gun is an L2A2.
Chris,
I don't know, the photos show various weapons, L1A1 with SUIT sight, IWS, riot gear etc. Said to have been taken in Northern Ireland but not sure of the location. The captions are a bit vague.
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1 hour ago, Chris Hall said:
British contract L2A3s only ever had a Sunc finish and have different markings to the commercial offerings. The serial numbers are also US or UF prefixed rather than the commercial KR or S prefix. Some MOD spares were salvaged from broken up commercial guns (because the commercial gun was not to UK spec) but I believe they were refinished to MOD spec.
Here is an interesting press photo from a sequence taken in 1972. Crackle finish paint on this L2A3.
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26 minutes ago, Enfield1940 said:
I believe almost all of them were scrapped sadly.
This also explains why ex-British military Sterling SMGs are almost non-existent on the UK market. The ones you see for sale are commercial guns sold abroad in the past which have different markings and a different paint finish.
Seems that is the case. With the Sterling, as you say most have foreign contract serial numbers.
Not sure about the paint though. The crackle paint was originally on early British Sterlings too. It was removed and replaced with Suncorite in the course of their service life on most if not all weapons.
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Chris,
did any of the Interarms guns enter British service before the cancellation of the FTR programme then? I assume any that did went to the RN/RM, as I understand they were the only users of the L4A3.
Are ex British guns few and far between?
Paul
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I believe these are made up from parts bought in bulk. However, it seems that few genuine L4s have ever been released. Maybe a 'bitsa' is the only option.
Genuine L4A3s were RN weren't they?
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The ex Irish guns?
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Aren't all L4s rebuilds? I think only some of the the Indian ones were new manufacture. What is it you are looking for?
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3 hours ago, johann morris said:
Jon, no the detail makes this project special. There are plenty of external lookalike vehicles running about. Few have taken the trouble to completely replicate the interiors.
Keep up the good work!
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I've never really been into vehicles or kit from 'the dark side' but the amount of effort and detail in your project is astounding.
Without a doubt my favourite thread. Thank you.
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I passed this on a very wet M1 yesterday, near Junction 12. Looked fantastic even in the rain!
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Not all users were Royal Marines. These reversible green/white suits were issued to 2 Para who were also part of 3 Cdo Brigade for most of the campaign. They were also used by Gunners of 29 Cdo Regt, Royal Artillery, who were also part of 3 Cdo Bde.
Your first and third photos show 2 Para, not Royal Marines. See the attached photos. Both show men of 2 Para in these smocks. In the second photo is Major General Chip Chapman (then Lt. 2 Para)
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Never have managed to find out why they were manufactured that way, though the cup is obviously a different type of plastic.
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Re the Cascelloid and F&G water bottles, there was never a green mug issued with these. They were black from the introduction in 1962. I have an as new example of the bottle and mug dated 1962. Cascelloid only seems to have made the first run. I have not yet seen a 1963 dated bottle either by Cascelloid or F&G. It may well be that there was a break in production before the contracts passed to F&G.
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14 hours ago, Old Bill said:
Computers make this a lot easier but I need to be careful to pick a font which doesn't look 'new'. There are a couple of very nice vehicles out there spoiled by the style of the lettering which is a great shame.
I quite agree, a particular bugbear of mine. Modern style lettering and numerals or even worse sticky back vinyl letters....
This is how it was done in the wild. Check out the Lyle's golden syrup tin and 'paint stirrer' Don't be afraid pick up the oversize brush with five bristles and have a go. It's more authentic!
The original caption to this photo in an album I have is ' 'Razor' Gilette paints up his armoured car' It's a Daimler AC.
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Kevin,
I think I may have an original. Give me 24hrs or so to have a look and I'll message you.
Regards
Paul
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That's absolutely fine. It's the later pattern of belt. They are a fraction wider than the first type and apart from the diagonal loop straps are near identical to the early type. Funnily enough I have one with exactly the same repair, on d ring replaced in metal, the other is the original plastic.
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Simon,
There are two patterns of frame and two patterns of waist belt. Silvermans have the later type with diagonal loop straps added.
On the original frames the shoulder yoke loop straps attached to d rings on the bottom of the frames. On the post 1980 variation the yoke loop straps just wrapped around the bottom of the frame but also passed through the diagonal loop straps on the waist belt to anchor everything together.
The original waist belts are tricky to find and often in poor condition.
Regards
Paul
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Thanks Simon, seems the only real difference on this set, Experimental No2, were the pouches, which were a different size, and the cape carrier which was slightly shorter in length.
Regards
Paul
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Simon, are there any other differences? Size of any of the compartments for instance?
Regards
Paul
Post-War British Army Clothing Questions
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The 1971 combat shirts were sized as follows:
Size 0 36"
Size 1 40"
Size 2 42"
Size 3 46"
Approximately, they are slightly larger measured across the chest, but allowing for movement those would be the maximum chest sizes. Anything larger than Size 3 would be special order.