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So, no one else can comment on it?

 

Not much point of a forum, then is it???????????????

exactly thats the whole piont of a forum. Reason i posted what has changed on that foden to make it eligable to carry indivisable loads.

I have just bought a Foden drops. I am looking at all what is said about size and registering it. Well i tank it the main point is its width. 2.9m very wide but under 9,ft 6in

1 foot is 0.3048 x this by 9.6 = 2.92m not 2.9

or if you said 1 meter is 3ft 3in = 9.57 ft

For some oldtimers metric is what this truck was designed in

So are we happy to say it is not notifiable

It has a max GTW of 54000kg this would come under STGO cat2 regs? A special types plate would need to be obtained.(Easy)

I need a spare wheel and tyre ???? 20.5x25 anyone??

i think antarmike has covered this very well in the past regards STO

Have been watching this thread since i joined. I am in awe at you dedication and standards of craftmanship

The two german vehicles where picked up in lincolnshire last year for a guy called Bob and taken to Beltring we collected him 8 days later and also asked to fetch back the tilling stevens for a guy in Lincs whose name i dont know .

The TK in pics was a serving Mod vehicle which oddly enough was being driven by a US reserve national guard on an exchange program ( he had desrt camoflage gear on)and had being given it as a runabout. when i picked him up He had been here in UK 3 days and he was sick of the weather and these goddam autos you ride about in.

The one i found interesting was the bus it is the vehicle used in the film the heros of Telemark It has been sent to England for restoration

just got a new phone so have cleared out old images any one reconise these vehicles

Not quite the same but your post reminded me of this incident. I suspect they wound the brakes off while it was on its side and then had a spot of brain fade.:shocked:

 

 

 

 

Seen that one before classic. How would you ring up base to report that minor cock up?

With regards to self recovering over the cab i am not so sure. With the cable so high i would have thought it would tend to pull the front of the truck deeper down into the ground. If really stuck it might even slew the whole truck round to one side. Still it might be a good party trick to stand it on its nose:nut: You might even be able to fip it arse over tit:D

not so usually if we get stuck of road its the back end whats lost it due to getting winched in to holes made by legs spades . if it happened to slew it sideways that would be great simple job to keep going and winch out backwards believe me have done it will dig out pics. Nobodys daft enough to flip one endways its not like manning a crane where once you have gone over centre the wieght of the boom takes over

Grand idea of the self recover over the cab, the only flaw to that idea is you would have to be attached to something higher than the cab or you would end up with cabriolet!

 

What about a rear spade? Is that in the works?

 

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Long while replying despite what it looks like on pictures you can actually winch forward over the cab i did a dry run when pulling the ropes of before stripping and blasting head stock. One snag though if back to ground level you have to be 100ft away min . Will think of a way round that on this truck.

No spade at back as such But will have two independant rear legs which can be used as spades. We usually put hooks on the faces of the legs and these are use to drive a sleeper or rsj under ground as we winch back on soft going and give a good anchor

Are you allowed to tell us any specs on that truck eg crane winch ratings etc certainly looks like an animal to me

During the mid to late 70s Buccanner aircraft were towed by road from aero space at Brough E yorks with thier wings folded up to Tollingham aerodrome to be tested after mods etc. they were towed behind a bedford TK with a ballast wieght on. One sunday morning i was off to a recovery and got to a place called Sancton and the road was blocked by police cars. I stopped and had a walk to see what the problem was the tk and Buccanner had come down a hill and skidded on ice gone of the road jumped across a 6 ft dyke and landed in among trees. the TK had already being recovered but i had the pleasure of watching a WLF owned by a recovery operater called Eric Marlybone of shiptonthorpe do a full lift on the buccanner across the dyke and on to the road and then set of and tow it away. It was way over any intended capacity of the wrecker but even at full stick it never flinched. When i came back a couple of hours later the road was blocked at the same place. Took a walk and this time the same wrecker was lifting and winching a grossly overload 8 wheeler out of the same dyke he reckoned he had skidded on mud from the previous recovery. From that day on not only did i think they where a bonny truck but also a proper piece of kit

It is my own personal project. Even so no vehicles at our spot are for show. All have to earn their living but the lads here take pride in them and the modern ones do attend truck shows where they have won prizes. This one no doubt will end up with a nice paint job and attend the same shows if only as a conversation piece

Have today taken truck out side to strip back to bare chassis. Subframe will be removed and reinforced and all welded up for proper head stock is to be shot blasted reconditined and primered main winch will be cleaned and primered along with a frame and roller assembly. While this is going on i will be cutting and mounting frame reinforcement plates to chassis and building rear leg assemblies. Also mending those annoying air leaks you allways get on plastic pipes when burning or cutting near chassis. Took photos to try and give a better view of truck out in open. All turned out too dark better have a look at settings on camera while i am at it

Ps that ladder type boom is getting yeplaced with some thing a tad bigger just used it get idea wher lifting ram brackets needed ro be

I'm not having much luck with SV Tech. They seem to be too busy to deal with my request and they don't call back. Are there any other businesses that deal with downplating?

 

 

 

 

I need to get a 5500kg truck downplated to 3500kg. It's empty weight is only 2700kg so it shouldn't be that much of an issue.

over the years have dealt with sv tech and found helpful but have also dealt with http://www.wheelbase.net/legislation-help-desk/downplating.html try giving them a ring it is only a paper exercise

Reading Cast vehicle notice for this vehicle it reads

UNIT title DST

UIN A0815A

Reg no 82KH59

Does this give any history of vehicle

The blue bit is the headstock of a twin boom crane. The twin boom crane was patented by a guy called Ernest Holmes in the 1920s. During the war They were used in their 1000s by Us and allied forces mostly on the Diamond t 969. They were a simple but brilliant piece of kit that had no limitations only the imagination of the operator held them back After the war development continued and a new model was built this was the Holmes 750. this became the main stay of all civillian recovery companies throughout the world. it was rated as 25 ton. It was found that with some simple rigging and suitable anchor a relatively lightwieght chassis could easily exert a winch load of 60 tons on a casualty with out imposing to much load on its self. The English importer of these cranes found by the 70s HS laws meant he was having trouble selling them as they had no safety overload protection. they would litrally winch till they broke. So he designed a hydraulically driven version this was called the Dominator This is the blue bit on the Leyland although i am not using the twin booms on it just the headstock which has the winches mounted in it.

Hope this answers your question Oh I bought the truck off Dave Crouch

Dare i be as bold as to suggest the Great escape its got to be on its easter Not a lot of vehicles on it but still enjoyable

Struggling to get enough light for camera as inside shed. These are slightly better. As you can see have located rear fairlead for winch and got pivots for crane boom in situ. Winch is a monster i think it will winch any thing we want on single line the two over head winches for boom are 12.5 ton line pull on full drum. these winches will also swivel to the sides for side pulls or even over the cab for self recovery.

HI dont know if this is of interest to you guys out there but recently aquired Leyland drops is finally getting converted in to recovery vehicle, I know it is not Historic but it has had a milatary past and i thougt it might be of interest to someone warching how it progresses. If not apt on this site please let me know. After a slow start finally got a few little jobs done to chassis replacement front axle a couple of weak second axle front springs replaced rear axle oil leak on rear hub just got a fault to sort out on power steering may need advice of you ex reme on this. anyway have started conversion Have started on subframe and made temp mounts on to this have fitted headstock from a hydraulically driven Holmes type crane. Behind this is fitted a large boughton hydraulicng should see me cutting up 1/2 in plate and drilling loads of 3/4 holes to fasten suprame and rear legs and spades on

Towing implements are a device constructed and used for the special purpose of vehicle recovery. In recognition of this, regulation 4(4), item 7 in the table, and regulation 4(5) of C&U provide exceptions for such devices from the full requirements of C&U. These exceptions allow the device to be constructed and used in such a way that enables the recovery of broken down vehicles.

Frankly i am more confused now than before i read this thread and i have lived and worked in this industry all my life. from what i read the above reads for dollys and any vehicle that has a capacity to lift and tow specificaly bdvs not trailors.

Sorry i cant find anything that states a bdv stays a Bdv when being towed conversly i cant think of anywhere it states it becomes a trailer. I am sure if a BDV automaticaly becomes a trailer then they would have drafted in some wording in to allow someone to steer and brake it as we know it is illegal to ride in a trailer.

Even to the point that the law clarifies that a car carried on a transporter dolly is one trailer, not two, and the law sees a car running with one pair of wheels on a dolly and one pair running on the road is to be viewed as a single trailer

In this example the dolly is the trailer and when loaded the vehicle becomes part of it , this was put in to allow small vehicles to tow dollies. but as you state it says viewed as not classed as

To say once more if it has or should have a tax disc in the window it is a broken down vehicle not a trailor with one exception a laden artic is classed as two trailors when it is been towed up to that piont it is a bdv . Example if you where towing a camping trailor and had a wheel bearing go and you left it at side of road to go get help you could be liable for prosoction for no lights, Same set up but alternater gone and you left trailor and vehicle and walked for help no offence. BDVS are excused lights trailors arnt

Hi you have got me perplexed with this statement where you got this from

as a commercial operator of a vehicle registered as Road Recovery) they are only allowed to tow it the shortest distance to get the casualty to a safe place, or the nearest place where it can be repaired. If you have a chosen garage where you want it repaired, and there happens to be one nearer that could do the work, then you have to take it to the nearest, not the one of your choice.

Likewise, according to the law, a vehicle, taxed as recovery cannot legally tow a casualty all the way to the owners home, if there is a nearer place of safety, or a place where it can be repaired nearer than the persons home.

I think you are getting mixed up with rare occasions when axle wieghts length limits are exceeded

Some other food for thought . As far as i am aware you only need a licence for the vehicle you are driving not the one you are towing.

A broken down vehicle is still a broken down vehicle when been towed NOT A TRAILER. (unless it was a trailer to start with)

My reasoning for the above 2 statements is when my eldest son was 17 he answered a call for an overturned artic MT fridge on a B road not far from our base. Everbody else being out he attended with our Leyland Martian recovered the vehicle and suspend towed the vehicle back to our base. He was duly reported to the police. Interviews where conducted and various pionts put forward photos taken and consultaion with police lawyer 3 months later after numerous more interviews it was decided the matter should go to the CPS. 1 year later we got notification that no further action would be taken as no offence had been commited. This was 13 years ago and things may have changed since

May have stirred up some already muddy waters

Hows about approaching it from a different angle Try someone like NFU and tell them what you want to do then give the vehicle details Remember though you are entering into Commercial insurance not Hobby pastime

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