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  1. Thanks for the kind comments about this project. Looking at your lovely photo of KT665 it is a very similar age of lorry and could either be identical to mine or possibly the 30cwt version. The three ton did not have the offset in the front axle (outboard of the springs) so the chassis was a few inches higher up. Coincidentally I have been building a machine on this slightly lighter road rail trailer recently so the concept is not completely dead. The two ton lorry was fitted with 720mm wheels for 100mm wide tyres. I have include a PDF of the tyres to show the dimensions. Twin tyres were fitted to the rear. The chassis is made from 4" channel for the main rails, parallel along their length; back at the start of this project you will be able to see photos; the outside faces of the channel are 37-3/4" apart. There is a channel front cross member and a tubular member at the rear. An additional 3" channel frame is suspended below the main chassis to carry the engine and gearbox; this is pivoted at the front. It is 11'4" wheelbase and 5' track, the chassis overhang at the back was adjusted to suit the body style. Mine is shorter than typical at 15'6"; this does have certain advantages as far as garaging is concerned! I guess you don't need much space to get to two tons when you load with fruit and vegetables. What software do you use for your 3D CAD? I might be able to provide STEP files for some of the components, for example it should have this type of White and Poppe cylinder block (rather than the pair cast Aster I have fitted as the nearest equivalent). I would love to see your finished model. tyre.pdf
  2. Steering column detail showing worm and nut steering box. A selection of parts. Many of these I have, but it is good to have detail of the front cross member. Bonnet rest etc. And finally the radiator, this appears to show that I have the correct radiator. Although pretty good this parts book still appears to miss quite a few parts such as the exhaust silencer. Period literature described the T4 as a "J type in miniature"; although this might be true for the chassis construction there are many differences in the rest of the vehicle. At least we have a better idea of what all the missing parts should look like and therefore stand a chance of identifying them.
  3. Front Axle. At least I have most of these parts. I think this shape of axle cap (Part number 55312) is only seen on the T4 Thornycroft. The back axle built up in three layers is another feature that seems unique to the T4. A sliding block rear universal joint is used. I am missing this but as it is similar to the one I made on the 1914 Dennis at least I have had some practice. Brake drums and blocks.
  4. Gearbox. The N/S and O/S gearbox mountings look identical in the photo but have different part numbers. And quite a few parts to go inside the gearbox. Footbrake components And some of the parts on the outside of the gearbox
  5. And for me, this is where is gets most interesting. Parts diagram showing the cylinder block with fixed head and inlet over exhaust valve arrangement. Crankshaft, camshaft, oil pump etc. Oil pipes, magneto couplings etc. Flywheel, clutch etc. This does not show the fan blades on the flywheel (visible on earlier photo).
  6. Flywheel, clutch and universal joints. Gearbox, steering gear and brakes. Care of the back axle Side view of chassis
  7. Some good pictures of the T4 engine; perhaps somebody has one in their shed. Further information on the engine and some good views of the crankcase. A little information on fault finding A good view of the steering column detail, fuel tank and oil indicator.
  8. Now you can just switch headlights on it is easy to overlook how important lighting up tables must have been. Owners are advised to arrange for a vehicle to have regular periods in the shed. Some more driving instructions
  9. Although I have not done particularly well at finding parts for this project I have just managed to find one of the instruction manuals for "T" Type as described in the Thornycroft Monthly Circular. Page 1 would have given the revision date. It is unfortunately missing but is probably one of the least useful pages in the book. Page 3 gives the chassis dimensions and maximum permitted body dimensions. Examples of the three lighter weight chassis are given on page 4&5 And one of CP&Co BT vans is shown on page 6. It always seems to be the same picture of van 250 that appears in the adverts.
  10. I don't believe they are. I didn't even know they existed until we found some on the shelf in the archive.
  11. There was a lubrication diagram. The monthly circular also confirms there was an instruction book and a copy sent to all agents and with every chassis so I should continue to look out for one. Further references confirmed that the T4 engine was also used in large numbers for marine and generator applications.
  12. Another really useful document in the archive was the Thornycroft monthly circular (staff magazine). Here is a better photo of one of the BT chassis for CP&Co And in the background a CP&Co on it's way to war service. The magazine is full of information and gives details that explain one of the holes in the chassis is for the odometer and drive (which is then obvious in the first photo).
  13. During our holiday we spent a day in Winchester looking through the Thornycroft records (the glamorous assistant is very good to me). I thought this table of valve settings might help a few people out so have included it here. Here is a general arrangement drawing of the T4 engine I need for this project (just in case somebody has one under their bench and does not know what it is). And another drawing showing the magneto cabling arrangements. The switch was mounted in the centre of the dash, just below the oil flow indicator (has anyone got a photo showing the detail of these?). There were also drawings of all the gaskets and various other minor parts but we did not find any drawings of the more major components (pistons, cylinders, crank, crankcase etc.)
  14. Thanks Richard, I had seen that and purchased a copy of the catalogue for the generators. At Beaulieu I purchased an Austin pressure gauge to go with the generating set. And a photo of a nice pair of Thornycrofts belonging to J Cooke and Sons (actually I negotiated for this photo to come free with some lamps purchased for my Singer).
  15. Owen, thanks for your thoughts on the ways to prevent the inlet manifold frosting up. In addition to the frost on the outside of the inlet manifold I have had the pedal stick down under the same conditions. I think frost is forming on the inside of the throttle barrel as well. As the carburettor has the passages for water heating it seems like the most sensible first step and of course needs taps to isolate and drain. I run with glycol coolant so hopefully should not risk frost damage to the carburettor body. Yesterday we went for a drive to the local Canal festival. We took a route with plenty of canal bridges which was a good chance to practice my gear changes. We had some excellent company at the festival and plenty of people to chat to in some glorious weather. We loaded up some fruit crates and potato sacks for the trip but I still have to work out how they should be secured. There are no rope hooks visible in either the factory photos or the in service photo. One of the final outstanding items is the tarpaulin for the back. I have put this off as I cannot decide on the colour. Suggestions welcome. There is a slight repair required to the horn after some over-enthusiastic honking by some younger members of the public.
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