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  1. From what I have been told the lorry and it’s contents have been found, Apparently in a layby and no damage to the cargo. Police are there and hopefully they may catch the scum who did this. But, I’ve taken it as a wake up call for the security of my stuff!
  2. Sorry to have to share this, a friend has had his Scania curtain side lorry stolen last night. In the back was his Clayton Steam Lorry. Please can people keep an eye out, and also be aware of this theft, it’s certainly making me think about the security of our vehicles.
  3. Foden7536

    Daimler.

    Does anyone know how this project is progressing? I remember it when Chris Jones had it at Chatham, I often wondered what became of it. Likewise Karl Hopper had what I recall was a Thornycroft (but I am probably wrong, I was very young at the time) which came from the Philp Auction - although I stand to be corrected on that!
  4. Good evening. It’s a mainly tractor event at Gournay-en-Bray, but three engines were planning on steaming from home (Hadlow Down) to Newhaven to catch the ferry to Dieppe then it’s about 50 miles down through France to the rally. Some friends did it last year with vintage tractors and this was going to be the first time with steam, so hopefully we can do it again another year.
  5. I hope this is of interest, it’s an account of a steam wagon driver, driving something much like my own wagon. It is from “The Worlds Fair” of January 1916 JUST ONE DAY IN A WAGON IN FRANCE - by “Norman” ’There are eighty four steam wagons “parked” in one large yard, hence its name “Lurry Park”. You set off at 4.30am from your tent, which is a good mile from the above mentioned park, and on arriving you start a game of “hunt your slipper”, or I should say hunt your engine; for remember there are eighty four engines, all like yours and the majority of them have been parked after yours. Now, in your hunt you have to be very careful because if you happen to make a mistake and commence to climb on the wrong one, you are in danger of a clump in the ear from the driver, who (no doubt) thinks you are trying to pinch his firewood. After knocking all the skin off your knuckles cleaning the clinkers out, you light up and having seen your fire strong you set out for your breakfast. Talk about the song “back to the office I went” well, it’s not in it, I walk a mile to work, then a mile back for my breakfast, and a mile back to work again - well, it prevents indigestion. What a grand thing army life is! After breakfast is a performance that cannot be passed over in a few words - ah no! To get your breakfast you have to pass the cook house, and whilst doing so your nose is assailed by the beautiful odour of fried bacon - hurrah! You make a dash for the mess room where you find you can have your choice of jelly or ham, but the bacon -well the smell is your share; that is for the NCO’s, you have a slice of bread and jam and register a solemn oath that the next time you join the army again it will be as a sergeant or not at all! After breakfast you go back to your engine, oil round, get your sheet, and sort of “get set” for the day. By this time bells are ringing and horns are blowing as this or that impatient individual lets his neighbours know that he is ready and anxious to get to work. Now, if you are also ready you dash out of the yard “a la Donaldson” and nearly hit a corporal or two in your endevours to show How eager you are to get to work! If, on the other hand, she has steamed badly and you are in danger of being last (and so get a roasting from the Sargent) you shove her in slow gear and crawl out of the park as my Scottish friend has it “on tippy toes for fear of wakening the lazy French folk” ! After arriving at your job, which may be one of a hundred you have a look around to see if your engine is intact, and, finding everything ok you make yourself as snug as you can in your bunker and practice French on any of the French people who happen to be around until you are loaded. Dinner time comes as a happy interval, when you can have your choice of bully slice, bully stew, or bully. After dinner you return to the job you have been on in the morning and continue until you are signed off which means you can return to the lurry park on rare occasions, by day five o’clock. You make a dash for home, planning enroute, what you will do in the extra hours that have fallen to your lot. But you must not build too lightly on this, for as you go careering through the gate of the park you will perhaps hear the corporal yelling at you “right round 30 and you wheel your engine round and wish fervently that the corporal finds nothing in his stocking next Christmas! You are now handed another sheet in perusal of which you find you have to take a load of rations for some troops preceding up the line. After missing your tea and nearly breaking your wagon up in some atrocious holes you wander home, wondering meanwhile will this d———— war ever finish!
  6. Good evening, I hope we find everyone well. Unfortunately work on the Foden has been non existent for the last month since where the Foden is currently kept has been on lockdown, however this has meant I can progress on work at home. I had a few excursions planned for 2020, with rallies in France, Guernsey, Devon, Cornwall and Dorset on the itinerary, however one by one all these events have been cancelled so we won’t be going far this year! However this does mean that the planned winter jobs can be brought forward. At the end of this season my 10 year boiler test is due, so I need to strip the wagon, I am going to remove the boiler from the chassis, as some bearings need attention, also the tubes need replacing (they were put in when the firebox was fitted 20 years ago, and they have done very well, however they will be replaced. Likewise I will change all studs, overhaul the fittings etc. If this is of interest then I will add photos as and when I get into the jobs. The other job I plan to do this year is to restore the cab. Unfortunately there is some rot and previously bit of steel plate have been fitted to keep the cab in shape, but I wish to replace the rotted bits and repair the rest, together with new canvas etc. I want to retain as much as possible of the original cab, so this could be an interesting “conservation” job. Keep well everyone! David
  7. Ha ha, sounds like a good book! Is the model going to be produced commercially in the future? All the best, please keep us updated on progress of the models, they look very interesting. David
  8. Looks a lovely model, hope my measurements are of use? If there’s anything else I can assist you with please do not hesitate in contacting me. On a slight tangent - the title of the book in the background made me chuckle... perhaps you can share a few to cheer us up during these bad times?! David
  9. Good afternoon George, What scale are you building the 5 ton wagon? It will be good to see a miniature 5 tonner, there’s plenty of model 6 ton wagons in various scales and styles, but I don’t recall ever seeing a model 5 ton version. Unfortunately where the Foden is currently tucked away in her shed photography isn’t easy, so I’ve done a rough sketch for you, hope this is OK, as you can tell I’m no draughtsman! Basically, the divider plate is set at an angle, the gear guard side being 1.5” nearer the boiler than the near side. This plate should be riveted into place with two angle irons, however mine has been fabricated at some time in the past (a detail I wish to correct) The actual divider plate is made of 3/8plate, with a piece of 3/4” angle riveted to the top. This is held with 1/4” countersunk rivers, at 4” pitch. The height from the steel floor of the man-stand to the underside of the angle iron “capping” is 16.5” I hope this is of help. If you need any other measurements, or if you want to come and study my Foden (once we are allowed to socialise again) then you’re more than welcome to come and look - we are in Kent.
  10. Good morning Hedd, Thank you for those comments, yes I am very lucky to own the Foden, my living van is under restoration at the moment (it’s a local van to me, having been built by Weeks of Maidstone) In fairness a Marshall Tractor and Fowler T3 are a nice pair too! How is the T3 coming along? Regards David
  11. Thank you for this information Adrian, that’s very interesting. Regards David
  12. Yes, that’s a fair point Ed, does anyone know how successful Wilkins Gear was? To the best of my knowledge there are no vehicles fitted with this in preservation (please correct me if I’m wrong) so if it wasn’t a huge success perhaps this could explain it being converted?
  13. Good evening all, Well, at present I am slightly perplexed! I was most interested in the information “Runflat” kindly shared about the “Wilkins Patent” equipment, as this really wasn’t what I was expecting! I am confident that my Foden was built as a tipping wagon, certainly the chassis is cut down, and the hinge is still present (although the body is incorrect and needs remaking at some point in the future, as there should be a steel framework for the tipping body, on which the wooden body is mounted. The crankshaft still has has a pulley fitted onto the end of the crankshaft, this would take a belt to drive the tipping mechanism - originally this would have a lip on the inside edge, but this has been machined off (I assume so a wider belt could be driven off the pulley - probably when the governors were ordered and fitted in 1937) The cab has the mounting holes, cut outs and witness marks where the tipping gear was once fitted - now all sadly missing. So this makes me ponder about the “Wilkins Patent Unloading Gear” as written in the order book, was this a mistake, a changed order, or did Mr Wilkins also design the mechanical tipping gear? I have ordered a copy of the build sheet for Foden 7768 (the Foden restored in WD livery) which has the same tipping mechanism as mine should have to see what the order book says about this one... Please find attached a few photos of my Foden hinges and the pages from the Foden catalogue regarding this mechanism. Regards David
  14. Ah of course, sorry I was having a dim moment! I’ve only been in Jim Hatfield’s Sentinel, but can see the appeal of one for eating up the miles, my Foden is a wonderful machine but certainly can’t be described as swift! Regards David
  15. I am very interested in the cast polyurethane tyres you mention Ed, can they replicate the lettering on the edge of the tyre (make, size etc) as I think this adds to the originality of the vehicle. On Dave Eves recreation of the Fowler B6 Showman’s “Onward” he has got “Macintosh Endless Rubber” (or something similar) written on the sidewall as per the original, speaking to him he achieved this by cutting the letter out and glueing them onto the spun on rubbers, I must admit the end result is very good. Regards David
  16. So, the work done on the Foden which I am going to post here isn’t necessarily in chronological order, in fact I’m starting with the most recent job and working backwards! The front tyres on the Foden were in terrible condition, and the previous owner was well aware of this and had therefore purchased four “new” 160 for 670 Dunlop tyres from Andrew Hawkswell (well known to “QL driver!) several years ago which came with the Foden when I purchased it. So, a couple of weeks ago, indeed the Saturday when “storm Dennis” hit I travelled what is obviously a well trodden path by posters on this site - to Woburn Sands to see Barry W and his crew and the fantastic tyre press! Well, what a bit of kit! It’s brilliant that this has been preserved, but not only that but has also gone to such a generous man who allows others to use it, so a few hours, a couple of cups of tea and a sizeable offering of cake (to bribe the pump operators - I was amazed by how Graham S pumps away at that handle and never gets out of breath - I was knackered within minutes!) the new tyres were fitted, and this weekend I have reassembled the front end of the wagon. The improvement in looks is amazing, I look forward to trying them out soon! Regards David
  17. Good evening Ed, Thank you for your comments on the Incorrect pump! I have spoken to Mike and Des Brown and hope to arrange something at some point. This summer I intend to take the Foden back to Devon and Cornwall to mark the centenary of the council buying the wagon, I hope to reunite it with the other 5 ton Foden (formally with the Dyke family) which was owned by Devon CC Regards David
  18. Good afternoon Tomo, Thank you for posting that photo, it’s a personal favourite as some of the little details are wonderful, as you say the fire extinguisher and heat shield on the chimney, but also the rolled up sheets around the cab, guttering a downpipes for the cab etc. the buffers are indeed a very interesting subject, in my “archives” of 5 ton WD wagons I have some images of wagons with them fitted, but likewise quite a few without, so quite what the reasoning for / against the fitment of them to some, but not all wagons will be another avenue to investigate. Likewise lots of WD Fodens have short canopies, whilst some have a longer one (like mine) as far as I can tell mine is original and so again want to investigate why the differences, I would have thought that a “standard” tipping wagon would be just that, but when I study mine against number 7768 (which as you know is the other surviving WD Foden, and remains in WD livery) there are several minor differences despite them both being built late in 1917. I will post some of my photos later. looking forward to reading more about the Thornycroft restoration. Regards David
  19. Good evening Mick (or is it Ed?!) Yes the Foden still has a Garrett pump and fittings, this was added during its time with Devon CC, as I’m sure you know Devon ran quite a few Garretts so I assume one became a doner. I have a Foden pump in the stores, but as the Garrett one has been fitted for at least 60 years so I think I’ll stick with that one. Hope the Garrett is behaving, and James Penfold is as lovely as always (for a Fowler!) Regards David
  20. Good evening Steve, Oh dear, I didn’t realise this forum was frequented by “Sentinel Men” - I do hope the far superior Cheshire constructed wagons (spelt correctly, Unlike that Shrewsbury product, whose residents can’t even agree how to pronounce the town they live in) !!! Only kidding, steam of any fashion is good, I hope you find my little tales of work on the wagon of interest. Have you a Sentinel yourself? (Sorry, haven’t worked out who is who with their alias’s! David
  21. So, to quote Maria Von Trapp “Lets start at the very beginning”: Foden 7536 was dispatched from Foden’s Elworth works in Sandbach, Cheshire on 17th October 1917, and supplied new to the War Department. To quote the build sheet it was painted “Khaki”. The body 12 ‘ long x 6’ 6” wide (inside) fixed sides which are 2’ deep. Tailpiece 2’ deep hinged from top of side boards. Sides lined with sheet iron. Platform arranged to suit Wilkins Patent Unloading Gear So, in Foden Talk this wagon was built as a rear tipping wagon, the “Wilkins Patent Unloading Gear” was the tipping mechanism for the body, which consists of a pulley, driven by flat belt from the wagon’s flywheel sited on the cab, this then drives a shaft with a worm, which inturn drives a gear which takes the drive through the rear of the cab and onto a set of bevel gears, these drive a shaft which goes across the “front” of the rear part of the chassis and then drives further sets of bevel gears which turns two large screw threads, on which two nuts run which lifts the body - but more about that another time! I have a copy of the build sheet which I will try to scan and post, but it is not the clearest. For the wagons “War Service” I assume it was used on road repair and construction. I have just brought a copy of Tim Gosling’s excellent book “British Military Trucks of World War One” and if you haven’t a copy I can’t recommend it highly enough! This is the part of the Foden’s life that I would like to research more. Following the war it was sold to Devon County Council, where it joined their “Northern Division” and was based in Barnstaple. I believe it was sold to them in 1920 and registered “ T - 8750 “ it remained in their ownership until 1950. Interestingly in 1937 Foden’s supplies a set of Pickering Governors, modifies safety valve plate and pulley for the crankshaft and I assume it was then used to drive a stone crusher. I know that in the later stages of it’s career with Devon CC it was used to provide steam to a rock drill, used in the quarry to drill into the stone before explosive charges were set as part of the quarrying process. One detail which I am not sure about, is wether or not the crank / part of the crank has been replaced, my Foden has roller bearing eccentrics fitted, this wasn’t standard on the earlier Fodens, so I can only assume that this is a later fitment - again further investigation work is required !!! At some point the tipping body was removed and a simple flat bed installed, and the rock drill was carried on the rear body. In 1950 Mr Shambrook for Newton Tracy brought the wagon (for £18 apparently) who kept it until the early 1960’s when it was sold to Paul Corin in Cornwall. He built the current body, repainted the Foden into a maroon and red livery and then sold the wagon, via the auctioneers “Sotheby’s” and the wagon was shipped to America where it joined the collection of the Upjohn Corporation of Kalamazoo - where it stayed until it was brought back to the UK in 1991 by John Collins of Northampton. It changed hands again in 1994, moving to Kent, firstly with Tony Slingsby in Hythe, then in 2000 to Colin Wheeler of Dartford - Colin did a lot of work on the wagon including repainting it into its Devon CC livery - of which more another time! Finally I was lucky enough to be offered the Foden and brought it on 17th October 2017 ... 100 years to the day that it left Foden’s works! how do you do captions for photos? 1. Black and White Foden on the day of Sotheby’s auction 1962 2. Maroon Foden at Chatham Dockyard 2012 3. Green The day I took ownership!
  22. Good evening, let me introduce myself, I am David Main, a youngish (38 year old) enthusiast who has been involved with the preservation movement for many years, having been previously restored a 1930 Aveling Roller, which having brought aged 19 I spent the next 15 or so years restoring, however I never quite finished it as I had to get some funds to buy the vehicle I had hankered after ever since I first had a ride in it at the Sellinge Rally in May 1995 I hope this “thread” is of interest to others, and I will try to chronicle the work I do on the wagon as and when I can. Most of the photos I intend to post are my own, however some came with the wagon, so I hope that if these are originally someone else’s photos then they don’t mind me using them! I really liked it when Mr Gosling commented in one of his posts that he considers the forum to be like a group of friends sat around a table chatting, so please everyone feel free to chip in and comment, question or criticise what I am doing, and I hope it will be of interest. Also please forgive me if I spell things wrong or get the grammar wrong!
  23. To the best of my knowledge none survive, the oldest survivor in preservation was built in 1919. slightly off topic, but yesterday I stripped the front axle and spring, perch bracket etc ready for some planned (and slightly unplanned!) work, and found quite a lot of Khaki paint in hidden places where it had been missed over subsequent repaints. David
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