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Although some of the info I have is on FAESPs I have found the printed AESP series. Inspection Standards merely refers to other Inspection Standards for individual components in very general terms and no help at all. As is so often the case more meaty information is to be found in the EMER. See the note at the bottom of the page. Bear in mind this was published 63 years ago so it would be prudent to check what is said on an individual vehicle particularly if it was manufactured after 1960.

Yes see what you can do, I have a feeling what I have are FAESPs which are tedious to search. If it is just a question of divided rim torque then I assume that would be in the Inspection Standards.

EMER WHEELED VEHICLES A 409 Pneumatic tyres, inner tubes & associated road wheels. Identification, Care & Maintenance. Sep.1974 A 417 Road wheels – Divided disc type. New clamping bolts & clearing hole in knave of wheel. Mod Instr No.1. May 1960 2610-A-409-301 Pneumatic Tyres, Tubes, Associated Road Wheels. Technical Description. Mar.1995 2610-A-409-421 Pneumatic Tyres, Tubes, Associated Road Wheels. Preparation for Special Environments. Jan.1995 2610-A-409-511 Pneumatic Tyres, Tubes, Associated Road Wheels. Failure Diagnosis. Apr.1995 2610-A-409-521 Pneumatic Tyres, Tubes, Associated Road Wheels. Repair Instructions. Jan.1995 2610-A-409-531 Pneumatic Tyres, Tubes, Associated Road Wheels. Inspection Standard. Mar.1995

I can't speak for the prices in Germany, but auction sales in the UK in 1967 large numbers of Champs were going for £50-85 and the relatively few Land Rovers £130-160.

The replacement of existing tail lamp with by stop/tail lamp was authorised in EMEI WHEELED VEHICLES D 577 (BAOR) Mod Instr No.4 Fitting medium 24v trafficators Mod Istr No.5 Note that the above are EMEIs not EMERs But Mod Instr No.5 was the BAOR implementation of EMER WHEELED VEHICLES D 577 Mod Instr No. 43

These are all in service photos, several seem to be OC or prestige vehicles. So maybe after-market but in-service embellishment? and this rather odd one:

This is from the Argosy tie down book.

Indeed I regularly get contacted on here by weirdos & chancers. Several forums I belong to require the first few posts to be moderated & if no posts after a period they are booted out!

I forgot to mention the bookshops at Hay on Wye, many of the bookshops have Military sections. I go there about twice a year but as time goes on the number of useful finds has greatly diminished. Nowadays most of the books are on guns, uniforms, medals & people's opinions on how they would have conducted a campaign or operation more effectively than those in command at the time. When I first started going to these shops I would ask where the Military shelves were. I was often asked which particular campaign I was looking for? When I replied none & I am not interested in categories listed above, I would sense a certain destain as I was clearly not perceived as a serious book collector. I am afraid the mechanisms of supply, storage & administration within the Army are not subjects that are best sellers! Would be worth looking out for MAOS as well as RAOS. You'll see in my list some specifically vehicular entries. 13778(Revised 1969) MAOS Vol 2-Field Force. Pamphlet No.16. Ordnance Maintenance Parks. Dec.1968 14133 MAOS Vol 2-Field Force. Pamphlet 18. Parachute Heavy Drop Company RAOC (Supersedes AC No.14133) 1969 14200 MAOS Vol.1 Pamphlet No.12. Storage of RAOC Materiel & Materials Handling. Aug.1976 14310 MAOS Vol 2-Field Force. Pamphlet 4. Operational Planning Data (Supersedes AC No.6049). Jun.1967 14358 MAOS. Vol. 1. Pam. 14. Printing & Stationery Services. Sept.1968 14572 MAOS Vehicle Depots. Vol.1 Pamphlet 6. Aug.1983 14691 MAOS Vol. I Pam. 13 RAOC, Stores sections attached to Static REME Workshops. Oct.1965 14722 MAOS Vol. I Pam 11 Planning (Supercedes Code No.14110). 1965 14810 MAOS Vol 2-Field Force. Pamphlet 14. Vehicle Units & Depots. (Supercedes AC No.5463) 1966 14810 MAOS Vol 2-Field Force. Pamphlet 14. Vehicle Units & Depots. 1967 14848 MAOS. Vol.1 Pamphlet No.16. Packaging. Feb.1966 14848 MAOS. Vol.1 Pamphlet No.16. Packaging. Oct.1982 14848-3 MAOS. Vol.1 Pamphlet No.16. Amendment No.3. Packaging. Mar.1968 60041 MAOS. Vol. 1. Pam. 1. Organization. Feb. 1967 60065 MAOS. Vol.1 Pam No.2. Part 1. Basic, Secondary & Field Force. Section 1. Basic Provision. Mar.1967 60065 MAOS. Vol.1 Pam No.2. Inventory Management. Part 5 - Secondary & Tertiary Provision.. Aug.1997 60065 MAOS. Vol.1 Pam No.2. Inventory Management. Part 6 –Provision in the Field. Aug.1997 60065 MAOS. Vol.1 Pam No.2. Inventory Management. Part 7 – General Procedures. Oct.1976 60108 MAOS Vol.2-Field Force Pam.20 Laundry Services Aug.1967 60134 MAOS Vol.1. Pamphlet No.12. Petroleum, Oils & Lubricants. Jul.1971 60134 MAOS Vol.1. Pam. No.12. Petroleum, Oils & Lubricants. Oct.1967 60146 MAOS Vol.1. Pam. No.11. Planning. Sept.1967 60163 MAOS Vol.1. Pamphlet No.15. Glossary of Terms & Abbreviations in Ordnance Usage. 1976 60295 MAOS Vol. 2 – Field Force. Pam – 1 (Supplement) Summary of Field Force RAOC Headquarters & Functional Platoons. May 1968 60311 MAOS Vol. 2 – Field Force. Pam. 13 Procedures for the Provision, Control & Issue of Aircraft Spares. June 1968 60370 MAOS Vol. 2 – Field Force. Pamphlet 17. Procedures for a Local Resources Section. Nov.1968 60858 MAOS, Vol 1. Pamphlet No.2. Instructions for the Repair of Tentage & Covers, Waterproof. 1971 Also: 14327 RAOS Vol I. Pam 15. Glossary of Ordnance Terms & Abbreviations in Ordnance Usage. Sep. 1964 26/Publications/5763 RAOS Part 5. Pam. No.5. Ordnance Field Parks. 1944 26/Regulations/1854 RAOS (Part I) Aug.1937 79/Mob/9550 Vehicle Mobilization. April 1952 57/Statistics/24 War Office Controlled Stores including “A” and “B” Vehicles Census Statistics. April 1944 27/Vocabulary/1489 VAOS Section F, Part 2, Pam No.10 Tool Kits, Driver Mechanics, GS, FA 20210. Aug.1944 27/Vocabulary/1489 VAOS Section F, Part 2, Pam No.21 Tool Kits, Vehicle Mechanics & Armament Artificers, ‘A’ & ‘B’ Vehicles, Basic, FA 20221 Aug.1944 27/Vocabulary/1489 VAOS Section F, Part 2, Pam No.22 Tool Kits, Vehicle Mechanics & Armament Artificers, ‘A’ & ‘B’ Vehicles, Supplementary No.1. FA 20222 Aug.1944

Matt these days ebay is your best bet, very little seems to turn up at shows. At least they are often cheaper than books on guns, uniforms & medals. Be wary of searching with the word "Ordnance" as this can trigger endless books on the American civil war. There is https://www.bookfinder.com/ But some dealers don't describe the publications very accurately, beware of reprints & some books are very expensive. Are you after RAOS in general and vehicle depots or exclusively the latter? There are some MAOS that cover vehicle depots, anyway this is my list of RAOS to give you an idea of what is out there. Preceded by WO Code 1635 RAOS. Part 8. Pam. No.44. Handbook of Tentage. Aug.1946 2235 RAOS. Vol 2 – War. Pam. No.11. Ordnance Maintenance Companies, Ordnance Stores Convoy Company RASC, Air Maintenance Company, RAOC (Sub-Unit of RASO) Jun.1949 4051 RAOS. Vol. 2 – War. Pam. No.20. Planning Data. 1949 4051-4 RAOS. Vol. 2 – War. Pam. No.20. Planning Data. Amdt No.4. 1952 4051-5 RAOS. Vol. 2 – War. Pam. No.20. Planning Data. Amdt No.4. 1953 4073 RAOS. Vol 2 – War. Pam. No.3. System of Establishing, Initial Stocking & Replenishment of Temporary & permanent Depots & Parks. Jan.1949 5274 RAOS. Vol 2 – War. Pam. No.5. Ordnance Field Parks, RAOC Stores Sections (Attached to REME Workshops). May 1949 5459 RAOS. Vol 2 – War. Pam. No.6. Base Ordnance Depot. Central Purchase Company Port Ordnance Sections. Oct.1949 5463 RAOS. Vol 2 – War. Pam. No.9. Vehicle Units: Army Vehicle Units Ordnance Vehicle Group (Inc. Vehicle Battalions) Oct.1949 5679 RAOS. Vol 2 – War. Pam. No.7. Advanced Base Ordnance Depot. Forward Ordnance Depot. Forward Trailer Company. June.1950 5703 RAOS. Vol 2 – War. Pam. No.6 – Supplement. Procedure for the Handling, Provision & Accounting for Stores in Base Ordnance Depot. May 1950 5843 RAOS. Vol 2 – War. Pam No.1-3, 5-7, 9-11. Aug.1948 6046 RAOS. Vol 2 – War. Pam No.1. Outline of the RAOC Field Organisation. Jan.1949 6047 RAOS. Vol 2 – War. Pam No.2. System of Supply from Base to Units of: Ordnance Stores, Vehicles, Ammunition. Jan.1949 6049 RAOS. Vol 2 – War. Pam No.20. Planning Data. Aug.1949 6049-4 RAOS. Vol 2 – War. Pam No.20. Amendments No.4. Dec.1952 6049-5 RAOS. Vol 2 – War. Pam No.20. Amendments No.5. Aug.1953 6782 RAOS. Vol 2 – War. Pam. No.10. Base Ammunition Depot, Forward Ammunition Depot, Mobile Ammunition Repair Sections, Port Ammunition Sections. Sept.1951 10035 RAOS. Vol 4 – Ammunition. Pam. No.22 Inspection of Ammunition & Explosives. May 1955 10164 RAOS. Vol 1 – Peace. Pam No.5. Command Ordnance Depots, Command RAOC Stationery Sections. Aug.1952 10222 RAOS. Vol. 1 – Peace. Pam. No.10. Consignment Instructions. Oct.1952 10231 RAOS. Vol. 2 – War. Pam. No.7 – Supplement. Procedure for Handling, Provision & Accounting Stores. Nov.1952 10383 RAOS. Vol. 1 – Peace. Pamphlet No.11 – Supplement No.1. Depot Management Statistics in RAOC Stores Depots, Vehicle Units. Jun.1953 10385 RAOS. Vol. 1 – Peace. Pam No.11. Planning. May 1953 10574 RAOS. Vol.3. Pam.No.26 1953. Respirators. Dec.1953 10770 RAOS. Vol 3, Pam. No.37. Instructions for operation of Returned Sores Depot in Field. Apr.1954 13664 RAOS Vol 2-War. Pamphlet No.9. Assault Ordnance Company. Oct.1962 13778 RAOS Vol 2-War. Pamphlet No.16. Ordnance Maintenance Parks. Nov.1962 14022 RAOS. Vol. I Pam 6 – Supplement May 1963. Amended Jan & Aug 1964

There was a later 9x9 handbook published as JSP 361/2 unfortunately the person compiling it used some incorrect photos & parts list which can be very confusing. That earlier handbook I scanned is more accurate. It has done the rounds having been offered back to me as a trade for a pdf, seen the pdf for sale on-line & even found a dealer selling prints of it! The document has a few characteristics built into it so I can identify its origin. The most obvious is if you look on the cover at the Edition!

It isn't actually 9ft x 9ft but you'll find the dimensions here in the handbook I posted up a few years ago.

Hans from what type of Humber did the donor rear axle come? There are 3 types of rear axle that will limit the degree of interchangeability. Should be no problem with interchangeability on the front axle. When changing the axles you'll need to slacken off the tension in the torsion bars before disconnecting them. You will need a set of strong "axle" stands to support the body as the full range of torsion adjustment can raise or lower each wheel station by nearly 12 inches.

Whilst we are in that batch I wonder what happened to 01CA61 that was used by the RUC.

Paul that's interesting I wonder what edition of 601 you have? The spec seems to have gone though a lot of changes I only have: 2nd ed June 1997 OMD-80 3rd ed May 1999 OMD-80X 6th ed May 2010 OMD-90 Looking at the latest Def Stan 01-005 Issue 20 March 2023: OMD-90 10W-30 OX-90 10W-40

There was some confusion in the way that some Warner sockets had been connected & I am about to add to that I'm afraid. EMER VEHICLES GENERAL C 179/1 Misc Instr No.4 March 1956 Corrected this wiring by defining: TL - Tail lamp SL - Convoy lamp GR - Earth BK - Brake Sorry if that doesn't correspond to the letters you have on yours. In November 1962 the EMER was later redesignated as EMER WHEELED VEHICLES A 019 Mod Instr. No.5

Paul OX-90 ? Surely you mean OMD-90?

Just going through some old photos & thought that this might be of interest. Appears to be 98 ZR 45, I saw it at Pound's yard in 1992. I think the story at the time that it was going to go to Bovington TM as a project for FoTM, whether it actually got there I don't know.

Goanna thanks for posting those links to the Humbers/Commers at first I was confused by this "Humber trucks in Armoured Personnel Carrier role" then it was explained by the next photo "Humber 1 ton trucks were a short term replacement for ageing White Scout Cars" So I wonder what replaced the Humbers/Commers for the APC role?

Looking through Regulations for the Equipment of the Army. Part 1. 1942 the only stove mentioned is Soyers in J1.

Hans thank you that is a nice clear picture. S 472 indicates the armoured body was supplied by Sankey. Note that the contract number for this conversion will differ from the contract number for the chassis supplied by Rootes. I suspect that all chassis plates that refer to the Pig as Mk 2 were armoured conversions by Sankey. This is entirely logical as it was only Sankey who produced the Mk 1 which was designated FV1609. The other two contractors for the Pig conversions were the Royal Ordnance Factories at Nottingham & Woolwich. The chassis plates for ROF conversion are of a slightly different layout that does not incorporate the Mk, but reserves a space for the Mk to be stamped in. I have never seen a ROF Pig with the Mk recorded. As Wally has pointed out there were 3,700 Humber I ton vehicles. But of those 1,700 were converted to Pigs. I have never been able to establish how many were built by each of the three contractors, maybe Wally can put his finger on those figures? The highest serial number I have seen for a Sankey is S 949.

Delivery would have been the finished vehicle directly delivered to the various B Vehicle depots for issue to units.

Hans yes thank you for the picture of the chassis plate & I agree with you that it certainly states that it is Mk 2. Although people who don't understand about the original Mk 1 FV1609 will say you have a Mk 1, but technically they are wrong & so were the Army in calling the up-armoured Pig Mk 2 when they should have called it the Mk 3. I am suspicious of the 1953 date stamp, I think this is something a previous owner has done in the belief that it was made in 1953. There were no Pigs in 1953, your FV1612(A) was built around 1959 on what was an unarmoured CT Truck FV1602(A), when the chassis plate was changed from FV1602(A) to read FV1612(A) Besides that as a FV1602(A) it entered service on 2/5/55 not 1953. Whoever stamped 1953 made a mess of it as '5' was placed out of line originally, I doubt that any workers in an ordnance factory would have done that. But the critical thing is that Date marking if it is ever stamped should be on the first of those three spaces and dated when a repair has taken place. The date should line up with the column on the left that is marked Class of Repair. So the stamping of the year 1953 is wrong for several reasons. It would be interesting to see the contract plate for the armoured body conversion which is directly below the passengers front window. It is about 3cm x 15cm it will give the contract number for this conversion & a serial number which may be prefixed by 'S' or 'ROF/N' or 'ROF/W'