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    Going back to the entitlement to display a red cross on a white background, armies have had a far longer entitlement to use the symbol than have Red Cross Societies.

    I know things have changed but historically it was conceived for the use of the medical services of armies as laid down in the Geneva Convention 1864 with no recognition of any Red Cross Societies let alone their entitlement to adopt the symbol.

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    The military use of the symbol was emphasised further in the Geneva Convention 1906 with the State authorising the use of the symbol by Red Cross Societies only to render assistance to army medical services.

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    The relevant 1906 Articles emphasising the military purpose of the symbol.

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    So going back to green first aid box on the Challenger, has Article 19 been revoked?
    Last edited by fv1609; 12-09-2017 at 23:37. Reason: Addition of 1906 Articles
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    Most first aid kits on the market these days have the white cross on a green field. Perhaps it has been changed to align with what is commonly seen in use, despite the fact that they have the right to use the red cross?
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    A quick search of the internet shows that the White Cross of a Green Background is now used as the symbol for 'First Aid' equipment because the UK agreed to comply with ISO 7010 in 2012; for all graphical safety signage. https://www.iso.org/standard/54432.html
    The European Union adopted it as EN ISO 7010 and the UK implemented it through BS EN ISO 7010, replacing the previous regulation BS 5499. I'm no lawyer but I guess that is why everyone in the UK has to use the new symbols.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TankNutUK View Post
    A quick search of the internet shows that the White Cross of a Green Background is now used as the symbol for 'First Aid' equipment because the UK agreed to comply with ISO 7010 in 2012; for all graphical safety signage. https://www.iso.org/standard/54432.html
    The European Union adopted it as EN ISO 7010 and the UK implemented it through BS EN ISO 7010, replacing the previous regulation BS 5499. I'm no lawyer but I guess that is why everyone in the UK has to use the new symbols.
    Certainly all the first aid boxes at work were green with white crosses before I retired last year.

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    Article 19 revoked? Perhaps not as red 'red cross' brassards can be seen worn by HM Armed Forces medics amongst those deployed to the hurricane disaster zones in the West Indies.
    Perhaps Brexit will provide relief from EU dictatorial gobbledigook impositions on Great Britain and if we prevent continued leftie-liberal PC pandering, we shall get our red crosses back (and odd shaped fruit and veg!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by fv1609 View Post
    I know things have changed but historically it was conceived for the use of the medical services of armies as laid down in the Geneva Convention 1864 with no recognition of any Red Cross Societies let alone their entitlement to adopt the symbol.
    What became the ICRC formed in 1863 and in the same year held a conference (in Geneva) on the treatment of wounded in wartime. it was this conference that led the Swiss state to hold the 1864 conference to formally adopt some of the proposals from 1863- of which the article you quote was one.

    White cross on green background has been in use for far longer than it has been an ISO symbol. Green crosses have been the symbol for pharmacies for as long as i can remember (which is certainly not as long as many others on this forum, but still...) and we certainly had one at the end of our road in the early 90s with a green cross shaped sign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RAFMT View Post
    What became the ICRC formed in 1863 and in the same year held a conference (in Geneva) on the treatment of wounded in wartime. it was this conference that led the Swiss state to hold the 1864 conference to formally adopt some of the proposals from 1863- of which the article you quote was one.
    I don't know, there is no mention of the 1863 conference in RAMC Training 1911 from where I took those extracts. Strangely the 1908 & 1899 editions make no references the Convention, nor do the forerunners for RAMSC 1885 & 1894. All of them refer to use of the red cross on white to identify hospitals & ambulances (in the original meaning not just ambulance wagons)
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