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    Default Re: Has the military vehicle price bubble burst ?

    Cheers Pete

    I was just curious as to how much of a Jeep can now be sourced from the various specialists. From what you say it sounds like 99.9%.

    Absolutely right on the hotness of discussing where restoration ends and new build begins - although I feel in this case it would be moot - if you build a Jeep completely from repro parts it is a new build - no existing chassis number as you say to give history and provenance. Wonder how DVLA would react?
    "I want to register my 1944 Jeep"
    "What the chassis number of the vehicle"
    "It hasn't got one"
    "When was it actually built"
    "Last week..."
    I suspect the conversation would go downhill from there.......

    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Ashby View Post
    Now that blocks are being cast a huge stumbling block ( pun intended) has been removed however currently gearbox, transfer box and axle cases are still required as original units once these have been sourced everything else comes off the self in one form or another and can be ordered from your arm chair with the aid of your flexible friend.........but what you have is a kit car with no history or the remotest whiff of provenance .

    It would take this thread way off course if we start discussing where restoration ends and new build begins, many a pint has been supped around camp fires at shows doing just that without any agreement ever having been reached as far as I know so if anyone feels bold enough to hold an opinion it's probably best done in a new thread.

    But be warned it can become a hot topic

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtistsRifles View Post
    Cheers Pete

    I was just curious as to how much of a Jeep can now be sourced from the various specialists. From what you say it sounds like 99.9%.

    Absolutely right on the hotness of discussing where restoration ends and new build begins - although I feel in this case it would be moot - if you build a Jeep completely from repro parts it is a new build - no existing chassis number as you say to give history and provenance. Wonder how DVLA would react?
    "I want to register my 1944 Jeep"
    "What the chassis number of the vehicle"
    "It hasn't got one"
    "When was it actually built"
    "Last week..."
    I suspect the conversation would go downhill from there.......
    Not quite , if the vehicle is a exotic - presently a Bugatti - then the DVLA seems to be taking a more in depth interest , of recent months a little to be read on this forum and much more on other forums.

    However for 'bread & butter' common stuff - then the tablet of stone is in contuance.

    SOURCE. https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registrat...built-vehicles

    Keep a vehicle’s original registration number

    A rebuilt vehicle can keep its original registration number if you can prove you’ve used:

    the original unmodified chassis or bodyshell (car or light van)
    a new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the same specification as the original (car or light van)
    the original unmodified frame (motorbike)
    a new frame of the same specification as the original (motorbike)

    You must also have 2 other major components from the original vehicle from the following lists.

    For cars or light vans:

    suspension (front and back)
    steering assembly
    axles (both)
    transmission
    engine


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    Take axles - I am certain there are plenty of people on this forum (if they wished) could build up a pair of axles , apply suitable Series numbers and then apply a convincing distressed finish of 75 years or whatever to order, of course the axle numbers would for the odd digit fade out into indecipherabler. Component parts of 'major components' such as axles - you are not expected to have original WW2 era. bearings , crownwheel/pinion . Suspension is a give-away , as with steering. A brand new gearbox would probably be a good idea in any case - so sod that being on your list. Engines are not so scarce or top $ to consider constructing a new one with new block & all new components - a new block could be a sound investment.

    You don't have to brand any number on your new chassis , all that is needed is supporting documentation (you can't expect to produce to the standard of a Land Rover) for your bath-tub of bits. Your lounge trophy kept of the original chassis / frame markings (for the steel DNA may be of interest to some).

    Of course the tub and tin-ware counts for nothing - the idea is to avoid showing rust pitting / penetration in any case.

    Before starting on that project - the wise person would obtain that all important original 'nomenclature' plate , although the illegible ones may not have been retained by PO or have been torn off as a service momento, the replacements of better quality fitted over 40 years ago will by now have achieved a certain patina . You don't need to be a Arthur Negus to give a bit of natural patination enhanced by the overall annual diesel polish ,, better zip-it LoL
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