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    Default Re: Replacement LEDs for 5W sidelight on Ferret

    As pre 1960 vehicles in UK are exempt MOT, what can be said ' It lights up'?
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    Default Re: Replacement LEDs for 5W sidelight on Ferret

    Hello folks,

    With the original post I constructed the heating curves because I wanted to check that the LED I selected wouldnít overload the wiring or the lamp unit.

    The one labelled Chinese LED 1 (2) in the picture was a powerful one that I initially bought. I have decided not to fit it because it is cool white. Hereís a Google short URL link to the ebay webpage. https://goo.gl/c45GB5 The cost is $2.99 or £2.50.

    The one labelled Chinese LED 2 (3) in the picture came from a relative; sorry, but I donít have the seller's data, webpage or price.

    The one labelled Classic car LED (4) came from Duncan Rickards of Classic Car LEDs. The 24v negative earth sidelight LEDs cost £6.99 for a pair, and the red stop-tail LEDs £15.50, including postage.

    I realise that there are a multitude of vendors to choose from, but I was very impressed by Mr Rickards on the phone, and took his advice to fit warm white rather than cool white for the sidelights as more in keeping with the classic incandescent look, and to fit the red stop-tail combined LED rather than the white version behind a red lens cap. The LEDs also arrived the next day.

    Thanks for the heads-up about the potential insurance company issue; worth looking into. For the time being Iím using them for safety and the E mark query can wait! Iíve fitted LEDs because I reckon that brighter = safer on a slow-moving camouflaged green classic vehicle. Robin makes a good point that you can always revert to incandescent bulbs.

    Hope this helps, Mad Scientist aka Jeremy

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    Default Re: Replacement LEDs for 5W sidelight on Ferret

    Mad scientist aka Jeremy,

    wonderful write up.

    How about some pictures of it installed?

    Now, what about the headlights? What is your choice for these?

    Love this thread
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    Default Re: Replacement LEDs for 5W sidelight on Ferret

    Completely coincidentally I've just ordered up some LED BA15Ds from eBay to replace the 21W P21s in my RB44's roof lights. The originals use more power than the radios!

    Andy

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    Dear All,

    I had a problem with the side lights on the Antar. Nearly every time that I took it out it blew a side lamp bulb. This was because there is no rubber mounting in the lamp. I have changed to LEDs for reliability.

    On the legal side I think that you have to ask "what would happen in the courts?". On the Construction and Use Regulations? I don't think that you could possibly be prohibited from moving the vehicle but in any case you could always replace the bulb. Furthermore, the vehicle inspectors do not normally have the power to dismantle or require you to dismantle the lamp assembly so how could they conclude that the LED was not E approved? I am sure that they have got much more important things to do that worry about very reliable LED lamps.

    On the liability side in the event of an accident, imagine this, "Your Honour, the reason why I did not see the outline of the vehicle was because it was fitted with non E approved LEDs. If had been fitted with the usual unreliable incandescent bulbs or E approved LED bulbs I would have seen the vehicle and taken avoiding action" or "Your Honour, I was dazzled by the LED." I don't think that will work!

    One further advantage of LEDs arises in the event of a breakdown. The LEDs would stay lit for hours, even all night, whereas an incandescent bulb will flatten the battery quite quickly.

    John

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    Default Re: Replacement LEDs for 5W sidelight on Ferret

    Quote Originally Posted by robin craig View Post
    Mad scientist aka Jeremy,

    wonderful write up.

    How about some pictures of it installed?

    Now, what about the headlights? What is your choice for these?

    Love this thread
    Hi Robin,

    Thanks for your support, other have also raised very good points on this thread. As a newcomer to HMVF, I have found this forum very helpful and useful. I'll post some pictures in a day or so. My apologies, it would make much better sense to show these LEDs in place on the vehicle.

    As regards LEDs for the headlights, I'm waiting to hear from Classic Cars LEDs about the LED replacement for the BPF P36d headlight that they are developing, which should be available later this year. other than that, I have not heard of a headlight LED alternative, or found a 24V one online. This page offers 6v and 12v BPF LEDS, but I have no experience of buying from it.

    cheers, Jeremy aka Mad Scientist.

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    Default Re: Replacement LEDs for 5W sidelight on Ferret

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony B View Post
    As pre 1960 vehicles in UK are exempt MOT, what can be said ' It lights up'?
    Tony, MoT exempt not Construction & Use exempt. You are still under an obligation to keep an MoT exempt vehicle roadworthy, you just don't have to get it tested.

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    Default Re: Replacement LEDs for 5W sidelight on Ferret

    Words from the voice of reason, practicality and really useful club

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    Default Re: Replacement LEDs for 5W sidelight on Ferret

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean N View Post
    Tony, MoT exempt not Construction & Use exempt. You are still under an obligation to keep an MoT exempt vehicle roadworthy, you just don't have to get it tested.
    Slightly confused here. (yeah, yeah - easily done I know..... )
    The requirement is to maintain the vehicle in a roadworthy condition - i.e. for this topic all the lights work as intended which for a 1950's vehicle basically means when you turn the light switch on all the lights light up. For a 1950's/1960's vehicle at least "E" codes did not exist so provided when you take your vehicle out all the lights work in the designated manner and colour where is the problem in swapping LED bulbs - E or non-E marked for incandescents??

    After all - nothing else on them is likely to be "E" marked either - brake pads/shoes, belts, filters, switches,tyres etc.
    I can understand the stipulation for vehicles to use "E" marked components for a vehicle either built or still in production when these E marks came into being but how can even VOSA stipulate the use of such components on vehicles that ceased production before the marking was introduced.
    If the law stated historic vehicles had to use E marked components then surely virtually every historic vehicle would be off the road!
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