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    Scammell Explorer 94BD17, Halftrack 13ZA37 and Trailer 20BD57
    The Scammell Explorer 94BD17 is popular, popping up on the web with in-service Libya photos (not just mine) if you know where to look, at shows of late as this vehicle has survived and even elsewhere on this forum with photos and where the son of a previous ‘in Libya’ army driver has made inquiries about it! I shall post something there too on this forum as his father may be the subject in my photos of the vehicle! Isn’t that great, connecting family to their forbears, possibly.
    You will be presented with more of this splendid vehicle, 94BD17, only later on as I don’t want you over-indulging in a Scammell Explorer fest.

    Station Workshops or an OFP in Tripoli? Anyone recognise the working area layout or sheds or type of activity from visits to those locations? We could then name the place!
    The Halftrack is an extremely poorly (look closely) IHC M9A1, designed as a prime mover for artillery pieces and typically towed a 17pdr gun. It’s not the troop-carrying IHC M5/M5A1 as the internal layout arrangement differs. Britain had a few thousand of these two types during WW2 which carried on in service in ever depleting numbers up until the very late 70s, usually by then converted to REME LAD variants (17 BVD Monchengladbach in 1978 had at least a dozen ‘runners’ of these, some with different types of folding jibs and raised superstructures, parked up for disposal). Notice here the one extended headlamp, on a stalk, what’s that about? What is the bracket-thing sticking up in the air just behind the cab door? Poor paint job too. In fact, the paint finish on army vehicles in Libya always seems to have been of questionable quality, 'washing' off easily, to expose the previous or original green (deep bronze?) livery. An exception of course to the tatty appearance would have been for annual reviews, parades etc. Towards the end of British military presence in Libya, vehicles were extremely tatty and battered, taking on appearences that would not have earlier in time, been permitted (I have some photos to prove this). Oh, this Halftrack here is also not a White M3 Halftrack as the type had very evident differentiating features (if you know what you’re looking for) is another story and probably none were ever in Libya post-war, unless you know different (oh, to be THE world-wide acknowledged expert on these matters!).
    Is the trailer a Cranes/Tasker 20 ton low-loader? What was the correct FV number for it, when did it come into service and when did it go out? Where can I find more information about the type, dimensions, drawings, layout, operation, photos etc.? Ah, a User Handbook perhaps; has anyone got one I could peek at? What about VRN range of numbers. Poor trailers, they are so over-looked! Notice how ‘they’ are just dragging the casualty of the side of the trailer, rather than taking the wheels off the trailer and pulling it down the ‘ramp’ on it’s wheels and tracks with dignity. Now I remember what the REME letters really represented .....

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    I can see three other Halftracks, can you?

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    Hi Lizzie,
    I had to check the number of that Scammell, and nearest one to it that I worked on when it was in service (early 80's) was 94BD41 .... not close enough!
    That trailer, there was one of these on the Recovery Section of the Command Wksp, when I started there in early 70's, not a very practical trailer for carrying lorries as the bed was a bit short, mainly meant for RE plant. I think that would be a FV3621(A) Trailer 20 ton Low Loading, the FVRDE book for 1956 shows it being made by Taskers, Hands and British Trailers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueBelle View Post
    Now I remember what the REME letters really represented .....
    The Australian equivalent RAEME is colloquially refereed to as Royal Australian Easy Money Earners

    I went from RAA to RAEME and there was a distinct difference

    Great pictures, thanks for sharing
    Regards

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    This is a list of BD allocated numbers for the trailer fv3621 {A}
    08 BD 86 to 09 BD 50 CONTRACT NUMBER 6/V/5592 made by British Trailer
    12 BD 30 to 12 BD 73 contract number 6/V/5948 made by HANDS
    20 BD 43 to 20 BD 98 contract number 6/V/5947 made by TASKER yours is in this batch
    31 BD 90 to 31 BD 99 contract number5592 made by British Trailer
    This all there is in the BD range
    As to the Scammell Explorer the RANGE of VRNs in BD ran from 11 BD 51 to 94 BD 17 contact number 6/V/7443
    The series of BD numbers came in 1950/51
    as to a drawing of this type of trailer l do have a builders drawing dated 1951 which measures three feet by four
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    This could be the same group of vehicles? photo taken by my late father (REME) about 61-62.
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    1960 Hotchkiss M201
    1944 Bedford MWD
    1944 BSA folding Bike
    1940 Morris Tilly

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    I am enjoying reading this thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Farrant View Post
    Hi Lizzie,
    I had to check the number of that Scammell, and nearest one to it that I worked on when it was in service (early 80's) was 94BD41 .... not close enough!
    That trailer, there was one of these on the Recovery Section of the Command Wksp, when I started there in early 70's, not a very practical trailer for carrying lorries as the bed was a bit short, mainly meant for RE plant. I think that would be a FV3621(A) Trailer 20 ton Low Loading, the FVRDE book for 1956 shows it being made by Taskers, Hands and British Trailers.

    Richard
    Ah ah! FV3621 (A) it is then! Thank you Richard; every day is a new learning experience!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fesm_ndt View Post
    The Australian equivalent RAEME is colloquially refereed to as Royal Australian Easy Money Earners

    I went from RAA to RAEME and there was a distinct difference

    Great pictures, thanks for sharing
    So glad you appreciate them Mike. More to come!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wally dugan View Post
    This is a list of BD allocated numbers for the trailer fv3621 {A}
    08 BD 86 to 09 BD 50 CONTRACT NUMBER 6/V/5592 made by British Trailer
    12 BD 30 to 12 BD 73 contract number 6/V/5948 made by HANDS
    20 BD 43 to 20 BD 98 contract number 6/V/5947 made by TASKER yours is in this batch
    31 BD 90 to 31 BD 99 contract number5592 made by British Trailer
    This all there is in the BD range
    As to the Scammell Explorer the RANGE of VRNs in BD ran from 11 BD 51 to 94 BD 17 contact number 6/V/7443
    The series of BD numbers came in 1950/51
    as to a drawing of this type of trailer l do have a builders drawing dated 1951 which measures three feet by four
    Wally, thank you so very much! Just look at all the great info you've given me (and to you too, dear viewer). The photo details too, provide the measurements. How nice a copy of your builders drawing would be, in my collection! Ha Ha, just a bit too big for a home scanner and a pdf copy, I guess?

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    Quote Originally Posted by john1950 View Post
    I am enjoying reading this thread
    So glad that's the case John. Stay tuned, more to come!

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