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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Farrant View Post
    Could that be a Morris Commercial MRA1 in the background? Pretty sure it is not a K9
    Yes, it could be, even the welding truck version though the plant generator can’t be seen! The tilt ‘looks’ more MRA1 ton than it does K9 and I’m sure that looks like the prominent body strake rail of the MRA1 Ton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueBelle View Post
    Yes, it could be, even the welding truck version though the plant generator can’t be seen! The tilt ‘looks’ more MRA1 ton than it does K9 and I’m sure that looks like the prominent body strake rail of the MRA1 Ton.
    I'm impressed Lizzie, you have an eye for detail !
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    Oops, I mislead you. I meant the other East, the West - sorry. The workshops were on the Azizia road, heading West out of the city. I remember Prinn too, lots of on-base quarters there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by philb View Post
    Oops, I mislead you. I meant the other East, the West - sorry. The workshops were on the Azizia road, heading West out of the city. I remember Prinn too, lots of on-base quarters there.
    Ah, did 'we' ever pass an army Map Reading course, Class One? Let's try GURGI Barracks as 'home' for 5 Medium Wksps which became 61 Staition Wksps. Ring any bells, anyone? The next photo and lots more to come, could have been taken by our unknown REME photographer in Gurgi Barracks?

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    Here's ANOTHER Bedford RL with 13 armed and extremely dangerous REME personnel. Has to be a Station Workshops, Tripoli or Benghazi outing, given the number of them together all at once. I don't think it could be an Ordnance Field Park 'jolly' as they tended to have more RAOC Veh Specialists than they did REME.

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    An Ordnance Field Park, possibly 595 at Kassala Barracks, Tripoli and here’s a feast for your eyes, if you’re looking! No, no Scammells yet, but just look at the line ups here! M5A1 Stuart Gun Tractors (for 17 pdr Field Guns), M5 and/or M9 Halftracks and Daimler Dingos. No, you are not looking at a WW2 vehicle park though all the vehicles are of that vintage. Lined up is some of the ‘military might’ for Operation H, no, not ‘Hamilcar’ (or Humiliation) as was the original name for the Suez Debacle of 1956, but for Musketeer (thus representative of the 3 ‘allied’ nations that took part – UK, France and Israel). The vehicles that were prepped for/landed at Suez wore the H mark, not an M mark as no one could be bothered to change the markings. Libya based units, whilst prepped, were 'not allowed to go' on the invasion. I'll let you look up for the reason (I know ).
    (The French for ‘Hamilicar’ is ‘Amilcar’ and therefore the French perceived ‘confusion’, hence too, the ‘main’ reason for changing the operation name).
    The vehicles in this photograph (and those shown on other sites showing UK unit vehicles in Libya between 1957 - 1959) continued to wear the Suez invasion H mark for several years after 1956, including those in-service by British units in Libya though especially those left on disposal and Ordnance Field Parks. I’m therefore suggesting that as we know ‘our’ intrepid photographer was busy with his camera between 1959 and 1962 that the vehicles shown here were surplus stocks in an OFP (probably Tripoli – maybe Kassala Barracks as there was an OFP there) and that the photo was taken there between those years. Hard targets on the Tarhuna ranges, for Malkara in 1962? Oh yes, I can confirm that some Dingos certainly became shrapnel, thanks to Cyclops 2RTR and of course, I surmise, the RAC Para Sqdn in 1964 with former Cyclops personnel. The Malkara trials team would have had some nice Dingo targets too.

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    Mobats! Still on an OFP somewhere, methinks, and possibly at Kassala camp on the NE outskirts of Tripoli, were some 1954-vintage Mobat L4 Anti-Tank Guns. Two photos of the same gun from different angles. Can you see the spotting gun mount for the Bren Gun? I can (on the side, not the top).
    You may wish to challenge that we’re looking at M40 106mm Recoilless Rifles, or L2 BAT Guns, or L6 Wombat Guns or even L7 Conbat Guns.... but we’re not!
    BER/CAST/Surplus unwanted, left to the elements and the clue to that reasoning is the gun barrel left in the air (plugged or unplugged they would never be parked like that in service) and polythene/Harry Black wrapped around the what I think may be the elevation/traverse block assembly.
    Initially, the Mobat was towed by the Austin Champ, more latterly, by Landrovers.
    Any further enlightenment on these guns and their location, Kassala camp and the units therein will be most graciously received.

    I guess most the OFP stuff we’ve seen would have ‘gone down the range’ as my 2RTR contact ‘who was there’ advised, further saying that most ‘armour’ not sent down the range was stripped/stolen by thieving non-British, or was taken on to LSTs for dumping overboard (not as uncommon as you may think) with very little taken all the way back to Ministry disposals sites in the UK. Can’t imagine there would have been any demand from anywhere in the World for turretless Stuarts though if you know something I don't, then please say so!
    So glad that you and one or two others are looking and doing the important bit here, commenting. You’re allowed to embellish with ‘epic tales’ and memories of those times for all to read.

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    Can’t imagine there would have been any demand from anywhere in the World for turretless Stuarts though if you know something I don't, then please say so!
    Hi Lizzie,
    A friend had 5 of the Stuart gun tractors, as left the army, all with 'ZR' registrations as I recall. They all got sold and I think most were converted back to gun tanks. No idea how and when he got them though.

    Keep the photos coming!

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    Here we go, the moment, that you’ve all been waiting for .......
    Three photos of Scammell Explorer 35BC13 ‘recovering’ a dodgy Dingo, a scrapped one in use as a training aid. Perhaps an ‘open day’ demo for families, or school children, given the audience. Location: Tripoli (see the Tripolitania dhow flash on the Scammell and you’ll also see the word ‘Tripoli’ stencilled on the Dingo superstructure). But where in Tripoli? Station Workshops REME no doubt but where was the workshop located? Gurgi barracks? Kassala barracks? Prinn barracks? Medenine barracks, perhaps not. Not quite hitting the right spot here in the Research forum, am I? Maybe everyone who ‘knows’ or was there, is deceased, parked-up in the sky tank park? Anyway viewer (I know there’s more than one of you, really I do), enjoy the photos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueBelle View Post
    Here we go, the moment, that you’ve all been waiting for .......
    Three photos of Scammell Explorer 35BC13 ‘recovering’ a dodgy Dingo, a scrapped one in use as a training aid. Perhaps an ‘open day’ demo for families, or school children, given the audience. Location: Tripoli (see the Tripolitania dhow flash on the Scammell and you’ll also see the word ‘Tripoli’ stencilled on the Dingo superstructure). But where in Tripoli? Station Workshops REME no doubt but where was the workshop located? Gurgi barracks? Kassala barracks? Prinn barracks? Medenine barracks, perhaps not. Not quite hitting the right spot here in the Research forum, am I? Maybe everyone who ‘knows’ or was there, is deceased, parked-up in the sky tank park? Anyway viewer (I know there’s more than one of you, really I do), enjoy the photos.


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