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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueBelle View Post
    Parked right next to the LR. Can't you see it? See then, how well that sand blends in with Light Stone to the degree that things become invisible!
    Maybe next time it will reveal itself?

    Oh, whilst replying, I must point out, in my helpful 'mistress of information' capacity, that the badge 'MELF' is the abbreviation for Middle East Land Forces, just in case you were wondering
    And Tripoli District was MELF 57! Magnakater.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnakater View Post
    And Tripoli District was MELF 57! Magnakater.
    MELF 57? One thinks you may be thinking of BFPO 57, the postal address which covered all locations in Tripolitania, even when the few remaining locations became part of NELF, headquartered in BFPO 51, Malta (later becoming Malta & Libya Command). So when I was a far younger 'uman bean' than now, I lived in Homs, Tripolitania, Libya BFPO 57 where, one could sometimes hear the simultaneous distinctive purr of more than 80 B-Series engines of the regiment's armoured cars and APCs. Not that one was old enough to realise, know or be interested in those sorts of things then. Tapping one's Wheetabix, pre-milk addition, was such fun as we competed to see whose cereal would produce the greatest number of weevils! And, if you didn't get them all out, they floated to the top, if you waited long enough!
    MELF to my limited knowledge, was MELF, without numbers, headquartered first in Egypt then Cyprus (with their own BFPO numbers based on their locations).
    In Cyrenaica District, all locations were covered by Tobruk BFPO 56 and Benghazi BFPO 55.
    Of course, there may have been other BFPO numbers assigned to Libya locations though Iím not aware of them, nor do I profess to know when the locations were first allocated a BFPO number. Perhaps a philatelist would know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueBelle View Post
    Oh, just wait 'till I post a photo of ANOTHER Libya-sand-coloured LR, with NO military bumperettes nor, ANY sidelights for folk to deliberate over! In-service too!
    Well I know you've given up trying to see those other 'blended in to the desert landscape' ambulances so I thought perhaps you'd do better with a B&W photo of that other LR, you know, the in-service one with NO military bumperettes (I like that word, bumperettes, for some unknown reason) and NO sidelights or winkies. Can you see them? I can't. No winkies, then perhaps handsignals and illuminated batons at night?
    This LR has been 'modified' by a local storm; a section of the workshop collapsed. Tripoli winters could sometimes be quite severe, usually with high winds and torrential rain waterflows through wadis which flooded vast areas, even downtown and, causing loss of life on occasion (a REME chap driving a 2RTR Saladin out of Medenine, Tripoli drowned when a flooded culvert collapsed as he drove over it in Feb 1962- RIP Dieter Brown REME).
    I am able to show you this photo, and a number of other forthcoming photos due to the privilage and generosity afforded me by Tony Burton NS56:10 REME (National Service intake 10 of 1956) who served in Tripoli, first with 19 Armoured Workshop at Gialo Barracks (Annexe) and subsequently with 5 Medium Workshop at Gurgi Barracks. You may have seen a post or two by him in this thread with his secret 'nom de forum' handle.
    Photo by Tony Burton NS56:10 REME
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails LR storm damage 19 Armd Wksp Gialo Tripoli 1956-b-Photo by Tony Burton REME.jpg  


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    I forgot to add, the photo is probably 1957, post Suez as the H mark that would most likely have been on it has been 'scrubbed' off. Though there were still vehicle running around with a H markk well into 1958 and beyond. The standing white rhino on a black oval at that point in time indicates the 'in terminal decline' of 10 Armd Div prior to its Nov 1957 termination and the formation of the Tripolitania and Cyrenaica Districts, though yet again, them rhinos could still be seen mid 1958 on some vehicles. Of course, had the photo been taken very early 1956, then the rhino would have been that of 25 Armoured Brigade which morphed into 10 Armoured Div for the Suez Debacle.
    The white 43 indicates an RMP Company and the Arm of Service patch it's on is black.

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    Very early series one when this came in to service it would have had a wartime type number census number starting
    with the letter M in 1949 this was changed to the post war series ZC. if I remember rightly the side lights are below
    the windscreen
    Last edited by wally dugan; 20-04-2017 at 20:58.

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    Correct, early 80s, and this is one, headlights behind the full width grill, have the side lights on the bulkhead. No winkies though. Semaphore indicators were an optional extra, mounted on the windscreen frame. It also has the very early front springs with the shackle at the front of the spring not the rear. it will be a 1600cc engine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fv1609 View Post
    In a Rover 7 Ambulance the rectangular area above the windscreen is not an alternative location for the registration plate, it is a grill for the input of the ventilation system.

    In the Rover 9, which now had bumperettes, the vertical registration plate changed to a horizontal one mounted above the bumper between the bumperettes. There was no longer a central air intake above the windscreen, but a smaller one at each corner of the front of the roof. The RAF version still had a central air intake & the registration plate was also central above the bumper.

    Later versions of Rover 9 together with Rover 11 & Series 3 had the front registration plate above the windscreen. The rear registration plate continued to be mounted below the departure angle of the rear body & was moved in 1969 above the RH rear door. Subsequent vehicles already had this on manufacture.
    Just to add to Clive's comments, I've seen odd Rover 11 and Series 3 ambulance with two registration plates, one above the bumper and one above the windscreen! I suspect these are probably local variation rather than anything orthodox.

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    Thank you Wally, Gordon and Sean. Do you know that the 'missing' sidelights had me burrowing the web (my goodness, so many really good and authorative sights, even just for Series 1 LRs) for evidence to show where the sidelights were, and yes, I found info and photos aplenty. The sidelights are indeed on the front bulkhead just under the windscreen. Armed thus, I again looked at the modified LR above and there's a sidelight there! Do look again! So exciting (I jest, of course, who could be so excited by finding a sidelight?)!
    That LR was in 19 Armoured Workshop, Gialo Barracks (Annex) when the photo was taken.

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    And what was interesting is that it appears to have its front diff painted white. I have seen this many times on restored vehicles - a result of a misunderstanding, but never on an actual military vehicle.

    Of course, as forum users will know only too well, the reason for a white-painted diff is so that it reflects the light from the convoy lamp when in use at night, but that applies, of course, only to the rear diff not to the front. So, I suspect, if the colour is indeed white, some bored military policeman, told to smarten up his Land Rover - and in all other respects, and notwithstanding the crushed windscreen, it is immaculate - took a tin of white paint to the front diff either by accident or design (and, of course, many MP Land Rovers, used for escorting senior officers were routinely "bulled" with additional painted "detailing", even white-wall tyres (ugh))

    Anyone else got a better theory?

    Oh and it has interesting tread on the tyres.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10FM68 View Post
    And what was interesting is that it appears to have its front diff painted white. I have seen this many times on restored vehicles - a result of a misunderstanding, but never on an actual military vehicle.

    Of course, as forum users will know only too well, the reason for a white-painted diff is so that it reflects the light from the convoy lamp when in use at night, but that applies, of course, only to the rear diff not to the front. So, I suspect, if the colour is indeed white, some bored military policeman, told to smarten up his Land Rover - and in all other respects, and notwithstanding the crushed windscreen, it is immaculate - took a tin of white paint to the front diff either by accident or design (and, of course, many MP Land Rovers, used for escorting senior officers were routinely "bulled" with additional painted "detailing", even white-wall tyres (ugh))

    Anyone else got a better theory?

    Oh and it has interesting tread on the tyres.

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    I say! A white painted front diff! Thank you for that 1068, though did you not see the same on the MP LR Series 1 (with 'proper postioned' sidelights) in my page 25 photo? No, nor did I.

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