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    Let's have another white-painted LR Series 1(?) front diff! Look, its even got 'proper positioned' sidelights too and no bumperettes!
    A spick n' span MP one again, in 1959, photographed by Ron Gill REME, as it headed a convoy of plush and not so plush staff cars from Tripoli into the barracks at Homs, home then to 6RTR. In the cars were many bigwig Generals, a Brigadier and, the then British Minister of Defence, Christopher Soames.
    Barrack Dress for winter months, KDs with shorts and/or trousers in summer. Smart webbing and holsters packing Webley (? I do know for sure, but forgotten and can't be bothered to dig for reference- do you realise how much Libya 'stuff' I have amassed? ) service revolvers.
    I have never seen that 'flash' on a Libya vehicle or on any other elsewhere and so, dear experts, I turn to you for your assistance please. Is the flash something to do with 3 Division? No, they weren't in Libya. 19 Brigade? No, they weren't there either. Has that LR been shipped over from Cyprus just for the 'visit'? Mr Soames visited Cyprus (Apr 59) just before or just after visting Homs.
    What fun!
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails 6 RTR Homs MP LR Escort to Christopher Soames-Defence Minister-Honour Guard- Spring 1959-b-Photo.jpg  


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    Lizzie still a series one but now is a 86 wheel base and fitted with a two litre engine and called a mark three it was one of a batch of numbers from 00 BR 01 to 07 BR 59 for contract 6/v/8599 can you please enlarge the DIV sign

    REGARDS WALLY

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    Quote Originally Posted by wally dugan View Post
    Lizzie still a series one but now is a 86 wheel base and fitted with a two litre engine and called a mark three it was one of a batch of numbers from 00 BR 01 to 07 BR 59 for contract 6/v/8599 can you please enlarge the DIV sign

    REGARDS WALLY
    Great stuff, thanks Wally.
    The 'larger' photo I have will not produce the result we need ..... it's not large enough! I am gently cajoling, and repeatedly so, the intrepid and very generous photographer who 'was there' and who took the photo(s), to either 'scan BIG' or send me the originals for scanning. Most folk send me their originals, hence whilst the subject matter is usually excellent, the ‘my way’ scanned photo quality invariably becomes or has the scope, to be excellent too. It is an unnecessary battle but one worth standing my ground for as the results show. Hi-res photos needed for scrutiny and of course, for ‘The Book’.
    Now then. The MP’s LR is not displaying a Divisional flash. No, not even an Arm of Service black rectangle for an MP unit and nor is it displaying the Formation flash which should be, for a Tripolitania-based unit, the Tripolitania District, Barbary dhow. That ‘thing’ we see is a ‘peculiar to RMPs’ sign for an Escort sub-unit (usually VIPs) in that part of the World at that time. Two star generals were worthy of an escort; maybe the two little red rectangles in the red triangle represent '2 stars'? I may be barking up ‘that’ tree again, though by way of ‘deep mining’ the web I saw on this site:
    http://www.redcap70.net/616SMPS.html...fElwell15.html
    the photo below, for discussion/interest etc., as it’s not mine, of an early MP LR in Malta, similarly ‘badged’, though with ‘proper’ Formation and Arm of Service flashes. I know nothing more, though I have asked the Libya photographer, Ron Gill REME for more info if he has it. Where are the MP experts when needed?
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails 616 SMPS Malta LR flash AlfElwell15.JPG  


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    LIZZIE my reason for a better image was I had come across this before on RMP vehicles the inverted triangle was
    displayed front and rear of the escort vehicle so it could be easily seen. The one in the attached is a later Land Rover
    of which we had two at the Museum the other was the same model but a review one in the centre of the triangle is the crest
    of the RMP's

    REGARDS WALLY
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    The red triangle signifies a priority vehicle in accordance with STANAG 2027. Mentioned on pages 4-5

    http://www.hmvf.co.uk/pdf/PAINTINGpart2.pdf
    Clive Elliott

    Always wanted old British Army publications of any period (the older the better) eg AC, ACI, AEMI, AESP, AO, COSA, CP, CR, DCI, EMEC, EMEI, EMER, EMPL, EMPS, ER, ETS, JSP, LoC, LTI, MAOS, MRA, RAOS, REA, VAOS, WMTI, etc, Army & WO Coded publications in paper or fiche.

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    Red triangles! A very BIG thank you to Wally and Clive for so happily shedding light, knowledge and wisedom yet again! True gentlemen and such an asset to those of us in the dark. To think they're not even LR 'experts' or aficionados per se (oh bumperettes, what if they are? ) and that there wasn't a LR expert (nor an MP) who came to the rescue!
    When I get (notice the positivity) a BIG photo of that Homs LR, we'll take a peak at what's inside the red triangle as I'm sure everyone will want to know .

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    Popping back to 19 Armoured Workshop at Gialo Barracks (Annexe) and the storm damage, look what else was under the collapsed workshop roof!
    Yes, there's the MP LR again, and next to it are, to quote the photographer "The Standard Vanguard is a Phase 1 model identified as such by the spats fitted to the rear bodywork/wheel arches.
    This vehicle was in it's civilian colour being a beige cum pink shade so reasonably compatible with our local sand camouflage colour. The black Humber Pullman must have been frightfully hot in the Summer months since it was not air conditioned!".
    That scenario would have been worth a few 'extras' for someone, I'm sure! Who parked 'prestige' cars like that under a rickety tin leanto? It wasn't our photographer, I'm sure!
    Photo by Tony Burton 56:10 REME
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