Rob2497 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 hi guys, i have an airport crash tender based on a heavy duty Bedford MK chassis modified by reynolds boughton. i wanted to replace my tracta seals and clean my spheres but all the seals i can find have only six bolt holes in ? mine has about twelve bolts holding it on ? it looks like an mk axle and definately has mk brakes/wheels. i wondered if any bedford experts may recognise the tracta housing as possibly off a heavier bedford, maybe TM ? kind regards ....Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean N Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Assuming it's the Hypoid axle, which I can't tell from the photo, it's probably R type or very early MK. I think that means the part you want is 6350119. If it is the R type axle, it might affect the detail of which brakes etc. you have as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob2497 Posted June 24, 2016 Author Share Posted June 24, 2016 hi Sean wondered about the type 'R' but it was only 3 ton ? this is definately bigger. the mk part number is for the 6350119 seal with only six bolt holes in it. i cant seem to find any other tracta seal of bedford origin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin craig Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Has it crossed your mind like it did ours to replace the lubricant with one shot grease like they did on some Land Rover campaigns, this has been coffee time talk in our shop for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob2497 Posted June 24, 2016 Author Share Posted June 24, 2016 hi Robin, thats not something i've even considered to be honest.... lubricants have come on leaps and bounds in the last ten years but on the other hand i'm a bit funny when it comes to new ways of doing things, first thing i think is, if the boffins at Bedford designed it to swim in EP120, then i know it's working fine until the oil pours out food for thought tho ....Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mk3iain Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Just a thought, but it looks a like an Eager Beaver hub. Iain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.O.S. Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Just a thought, but it looks a like an Eager Beaver hub. Iain Which if I'm not mistaken was an RL unit with shortened axle tubes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Herbert Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 I thought Eager Beavers had standard RL axles ? David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mk3iain Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 I thought Eager Beavers had standard RL axles ? David They are both front axles with central differentials using two equal length short tubes and are narrower than the truck. At least that is how it looks to me. I've not been able to compare to an RL. Iain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.O.S. Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 They are both front axles with central differentials using two equal length short tubes and are narrower than the truck. At least that is how it looks to me. I've not been able to compare to an RL.Iain Aha - I wondered how they narrowed the axle without using narrow axle-specific parts - reckon you've got it right Iain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean N Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Rob, it's EP 90 in an RL / MK axle. I think if this looks like an MK axle, it's likely either to be an early MK axle or an R type axle. Reynolds-Boughton and Bedford used other options, but the diff casings are significantly different in appearance. Do you have a photo of the whole axle so we can check? The R type and early MK parts books give 6350119 as the tracta housing seal, with 24 mounting bolts per axle (so 12 per side). I can't speak to later MKs / MJs as I don't have the parts book here and it's a long time since I've done one but you may be right about them only having 6 bolt fixing. I'm not sure the 3 ton rating is meaningful here. What's the chassis number, VIN or model designation from the logbook or chassis plate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mk3iain Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 Here are a couple of pics of an Eager Beaver axel and hub for comparison. I hope it helps. Iain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 hi guys, i have an airport crash tender based on a heavy duty Bedford MK chassis modified by reynolds boughton.i wanted to replace my tracta seals and clean my spheres but all the seals i can find have only six bolt holes in ? mine has about twelve bolts holding it on ? it looks like an mk axle and definately has mk brakes/wheels. i wondered if any bedford experts may recognise the tracta housing as possibly off a heavier bedford, maybe TM ? kind regards ....Rob Hi Rob, A lot of muddying of the waters here with talk of Eager Beavers, etc. The holes in the seal are not holes for the ring that has 12 screws securing it. The seal and the copper leaf springs that apply pressure to the lip are located on pins on the inside of the securing ring. This seal was designed for the 1940's Bedford QL and used right through the RL to the last MJ models, same part number. There is no need to dismantle the axle, the rings should be unbolted and seal removed carefully to preserve the leaf springs. Check where the top of the seal will be and with a sharp knife make a scarf cut so the seal can be fitted around the challis. With this joint at the top it will not leak if a clean cut and a spot of sealer on it. EP90 is OK for the axles and swivels. regards, Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean N Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Of course they are, thanks Richard. It's been a long time since I've done one and I'd totally forgotten, and allowed myself to be mislead by the discussion. You can also use a spot of (industrial flexible) superglue on the cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob2497 Posted June 27, 2016 Author Share Posted June 27, 2016 thank you everyone for the input. Richard you were spot on, i thought i'd investigate at the weekend and the six holes in the seal are indeed locating holes ! 6350119 seals ordered thanks again ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 thank you everyone for the input. Richard you were spot on, i thought i'd investigate at the weekend and the six holes in the seal are indeed locating holes ! 6350119 seals orderedthanks again ! Hi Rob, No problem. It is a task I have done numerous times on QL, RL and MK/MJ ! regards, Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard23 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 Hi sorry to resurrect this post, has anyone put mk axles on an RL? How easy is it? Cheers Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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