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    Default Re: European BAN for assault weapons proposed - EVEN IF PERMANENTLY DEACTIVATED

    Quote Originally Posted by AmmoMan View Post
    You are correct it's in the small print that as soon as we leave the EU we can sell old spec deacts again, does not help the dealers who have current stock etc, or anyone that needs to sell in the meantime.
    True, but is a saving grace for some and all is not lost, as for the dealers then its just stock that will probably be more of an investment or they could right it off as a loss...... on their tax return.

    Some dealers are still selling Old Spec stuff.........

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    Default Re: European BAN for assault weapons proposed - EVEN IF PERMANENTLY DEACTIVATED

    I think the chance of the deact-laws going back after Brexit to as they were before the Regulation are about zero.

    The best hope is that new-spec deacts are declared as being equal to the Regulation and as such are considered deactivated to Regulation specs, so they can be owned, sold and bought on the free market.

    No chance that will happen with old spec deacts, so I'm sure there will be a underground market for those. What that affects there value is anyone's guess at the moment....
    Money can't buy happiness -- but somehow it's more comfortable to cry in a Corvette than in a Yugo.

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    Default Re: European BAN for assault weapons proposed - EVEN IF PERMANENTLY DEACTIVATED

    A further update from Steven Kendrick of the DGCA:




    "So this has now been enacted, section 128 is the bit that deals with
    deactivated firearms:


    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/...on/128/enacted


    If you read through that it's not entirely clear what it means. Subsection
    4(c) effectively makes it an offence to transfer a deac that isn't done to
    the current spec., and by "current spec." I mean the June 13th, 2016 Home
    Office spec. This is a different spec. to the April 2016 spec., which is
    the EU spec. So taken as a whole, what it basically says is, it's illegal
    to sell or gift a deactivated firearm inside the EU, unless it's done to the
    current British spec.


    Which makes no sense, because the British spec. is not the EU spec. They're
    similar but there are differences.


    The Home Office have attempted to give me clarification and their
    clarification is very vague. What they appear to be saying is this: if the
    UK leaves the EU, then the section becomes meaningless, because then all
    transfers would be outside the EU and thus the section doesn't apply. If
    the UK stays in the EU, they're going to try and get the European Commission
    to adopt the current UK spec. and thus the two specifications will be the
    same, and then they're going to apply for the earlier 2010 spec. to also be
    recognised as sufficient so those can be transferred as well.


    The reason they're being vague in my opinion is because (a) they came up
    with their spec. prior to the referendum thus this whole thing has gotten
    muddled as they didn't expect a "leave" vote and (b) they don't want to
    admit they now have a contingency plan for either event.


    What is noticeable to me is they appear to have no intention of applying for
    any spec. prior to 2010 to be recognised as sufficient. But that only
    matters if the UK stays in the EU.


    Anyway the key point is that up until the UK leaving the EU, it's illegal to
    sell or gift any deactivated firearm unless it's done to the current spec. -
    once the section comes into force and the Home Office tells me that will be
    in "the next couple of months" (but it's already illegal under European law
    if the deac. is prior to April 2016). Note they've made it into an
    indictable offence, so you can get 5 years in prison for violating it,
    unlike with realistic imitation firearms where the maximum penalty is only
    51 weeks".

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    Default Re: European BAN for assault weapons proposed - EVEN IF PERMANENTLY DEACTIVATED

    What a mess! But at least we're still allowed to own deacs.

    Andy

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    Default Re: European BAN for assault weapons proposed - EVEN IF PERMANENTLY DEACTIVATED

    The bottom line of it is that the whole thing is unpoliceable so long as there is no requirement to register or license deac 'weapons'. The authorities have no idea who owns what and so long as that remains, people will be able do what they want providing they are 'careful' with whom they deal with. I am not advocating anyone doing anything illegal, but the whole knee jerk farce is open to 'abuse'. You can take that how you like.

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    Default Re: European BAN for assault weapons proposed - EVEN IF PERMANENTLY DEACTIVATED

    It might encourage the dealers to lower their prices once in a while to sell off what could be unsellable in a few months time, better jam today than thin gruel tomorrow. In other words sell the problem on...
    Last edited by Whittingham warrior; 13-03-2017 at 21:29.

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    Default Re: European BAN for assault weapons proposed - EVEN IF PERMANENTLY DEACTIVATED

    FYI. The controls on so-called 'defectively deactivated' weapons come into force on 2nd May:


    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2...0170399_en.pdf (page 2)

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