nz2 Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 I have a conundrum for you that has puizzled me for some time. The 'change speed and brake operating bracket' on the leyland S type was significantly modified for use in the c.1912 S3. My chassis, which I believe to be an S2, utilised the earlier version. BUT, I have a perfect and complete example of the S3 'bracket'. Do I use the latter or do I fabricate a copy of the earlier version? Robert Is the situation any different to vehicles of todays era. Part number XXXX is now superseded by part no YYYY. It fits straight on, does the job asked of it and is a genuine product for that vehicle. Doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redherring Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Unfortunately it doesn't fit straight on... the one I have requires me to drill a large hole central in the side of the chassis for the pivot. Whereas the pivot in the earlier version lies just above the chassis. In addition all the bolt hole locations are slightly different. The later version remained the same for the next ten years or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redherring Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 It is your vehicle, Robert, what is your gut instinct? trevor My instinct is to consider how a scholar might view the vehicle in 100 years time. So mechanically it's almost authentic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nz2 Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Unfortunately it doesn't fit straight on... the one I have requires me to drill a large hole central in the side of the chassis for the pivot. Whereas the pivot in the earlier version lies just above the chassis. In addition all the bolt hole locations are slightly different. The later version remained the same for the next ten years or so. I know I said parts should fit correctly. It still is the situation where modification has to occur as the newer part is the now produced part and the older version is no longer available. Different mounts and linkages abound. The other option is a line of the vehicles history, where modification and changes have occurred to keep the vehicle going particularly is used away from a city and a regular supply of parts. The local blacksmith and garage would have kept the vehicle operational. In the same line during the early days of The Great War, there was a problem with the rear axle housing on Thornycroft trucks in France. The army engineers in France cast their own version, which was later accepted by Thornycroft and became the standard part. Doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4x4Founder Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 I've always found the modifications/upgrades a vintage vehicle acquires over a long life interesting in themselves. For example, an FWD Model B as it was issued in 1917 vs the same model in 1925 with pneumatic tires, electric start, lights, etc. Since you can't run down to the local truck parts store to pick up a new part, certain compromises must often be made on the originality front but I am in awe when I see a restorer who stops at almost nothing to make a truck as close to 100 percent accurate as his time and effort can make it. Just had a tour of a much more modern MV where the owner use ONLY NOS part used at the exact timeframe the restoration was designed to portray. Pedantic? Certainly, but delightfully pedantic... admirably pedantic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nz2 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 On the other hand we do have people like Ben and the Gosling's who build parts to original specifications. In my own situation it is a matter of what parts are available to use, the facilities I have to construct some parts, or the funding to otherwise pay to have these parts built. Each of us will have a different set of criteria to work from to produce an operational vehicle. Doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great War truck Posted March 14, 2017 Author Share Posted March 14, 2017 Ian has been getting on with his B type body. It is all coming together now: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Wow, stunning work. I didn't realise how long it is, must be fun on a hairpin bend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 That's why it is so long! To keep a Carthorse in the back to drag it round! :-D Power steering, three Weetabix for breckfast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great War truck Posted September 5, 2017 Author Share Posted September 5, 2017 Another one has just turned up and sold in Springfield Missouri. Looks very complete and would not take a lot to get it running. How much did it sell for I hear you ask? The heady sum of $3,000. Well that's my pension plan scuppered then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great War truck Posted September 12, 2019 Author Share Posted September 12, 2019 The Liberty of Ian Morgan has come on some way now. Using many original photos of the wooden body being made we think that Ian and Ari have made a very accurate copy of the original Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great War truck Posted September 12, 2019 Author Share Posted September 12, 2019 Last year they took the Liberty and the Saurer to Ypres for the commemorations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great War truck Posted September 12, 2019 Author Share Posted September 12, 2019 It looked great going up the hill to GDSF. One thing the Liberty was missing and which has just been remedied is the triangular Quartermaster Corps badge on each side of the seat box. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorset Boy Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 So, finally I have an account and can put a few photos up for myself! Thanks so much Tim Gosling though for sharing some of the adventures had so far with my Liberty B. Here’s a few photos of her at last years Dorset Steam fair and then photos of having her rear brakes stripped and re lined, drums skimmed, new tyres fitted and ready for her drive last November to Ypres Belguim for Armistice day 2019. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorset Boy Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 A couple of videos last November on our trip to Ypres. In case anyone is wondering why Ari is sat on the bonnet it’s because we were losing the radiator cap pin so he was doing his best to keep hold of it at a staggering 18 mph! IMG_1216.MOV IMG_1225.MOV IMG_1348.MP4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rootes75 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Dorset Boy said: A couple of videos last November on our trip to Ypres. In case anyone is wondering why Ari is sat on the bonnet it’s because we were losing the radiator cap pin so he was doing his best to keep hold of it at a staggering 18 mph! IMG_1216.MOV IMG_1225.MOV IMG_1348.MP4 Superb stuff, what wonderful lorries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rootes75 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Dorset Boy said: So, finally I have an account and can put a few photos up for myself! Thanks so much Tim Gosling though for sharing some of the adventures had so far with my Liberty B. Here’s a few photos of her at last years Dorset Steam fair and then photos of having her rear brakes stripped and re lined, drums skimmed, new tyres fitted and ready for her drive last November to Ypres Belguim for Armistice day 2019. I probably have photos of her at Dorset, lovely seeing these WW1 lorries so well preserved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorset Boy Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, Rootes75 said: I probably have photos of her at Dorset, lovely seeing these WW1 lorries so well preserved. Thankyou👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blastermike Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 Hi all just an update, finally got my engine from an arizona liberty owner for my 2nd chassis, engine is a aeries two continental and is fairly complete many thanks to william in virginia for making this happen and chuck in arizona too, williams also supplying me with a missing m3 carb and a spare radiator he has, i had put a deposit down on this engine around feb this year then with covid and other issues it has only recently moved the first step before coming back down here, still progress forward, ive also almost got the repairs done on the chassis, added some pics below mike 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rootes75 Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 Now that engine looks superb! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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